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Post by charleselan on Jan 29, 2022 12:07:34 GMT
Over the past few evenings I have been watching some short clips of qualifying at Brands Hatch for the 1986 British GP and it brought home to me what F1 these days sadly lacks. Seeing Ayrton and Nelson qualify those beasts on the once superb British GP circuit was simply on another level to what we have in front of us today. The cars twitch and move around as the drivers fight to get the maximum out of what is claimed to be the most powerful ever Grand prix cars, just wonderful to watch.
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Post by René on Jan 29, 2022 12:35:42 GMT
Fantastic! 
You can see that the car and driver are at the absolute limit of what it is possible, indeed something which is sadly missing in modern times even if the cars are faster now. Don't think we will ever get this back but at least we can still hope the new cars are an improvement. And if not, we can always watch this back... over and over again.  |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 29, 2022 13:05:24 GMT
Fantastic! 
You can see that the car and driver are at the absolute limit of what it is possible, indeed something which is sadly missing in modern times even if the cars are faster now. Don't think we will ever get this back but at least we can still hope the new cars are an improvement. And if not, we can always watch this back... over and over again.  It is indeed "Fantastic" René, mind boggling so in fact. The funny thing is that the modern cars of today may be faster but when you see these films the question is which actually look quicker. The second film was new to me and really gives a different aspect to the traditional camera angles at Brands Hatch. |
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Post by René on Jan 29, 2022 13:09:24 GMT
Fantastic! You can see that the car and driver are at the absolute limit of what it is possible, indeed something which is sadly missing in modern times even if the cars are faster now. Don't think we will ever get this back but at least we can still hope the new cars are an improvement. And if not, we can always watch this back... over and over again. It is indeed "Fantastic" René, mind boggling so in fact. The funny thing is that the modern cars of today may be faster but when you see these films the question is which actually look quicker. The second film was new to me and really gives a different aspect to the traditional camera angles at Brands Hatch. Oh yes, I totally agree. Those cars looked faster... and more dangerous (..which they were)! |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 29, 2022 13:29:44 GMT
It is indeed "Fantastic" René, mind boggling so in fact. The funny thing is that the modern cars of today may be faster but when you see these films the question is which actually look quicker. The second film was new to me and really gives a different aspect to the traditional camera angles at Brands Hatch. Oh yes, I totally agree. Those cars looked faster... and more dangerous (..which they were)! Here is an even better little film of Ayrton at Brands Hatch in 1986 during qualifying, a lovely bit of pit film work to accompany the action on track. Wonderful material which I never saw at the time as I was at trackside  . |
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Post by Carl on Jan 29, 2022 18:38:35 GMT
Fantastic!
You can see that the car and driver are at the absolute limit of what it is possible, indeed something which is sadly missing in modern times even if the cars are faster now. Don't think we will ever get this back but at least we can still hope the new cars are an improvement. And if not, we can always watch this back... over and over again. It is indeed "Fantastic" René, mind boggling so in fact. The funny thing is that the modern cars of today may be faster but when you see these films the question is which actually look quicker. The second film was new to me and really gives a different aspect to the traditional camera angles at Brands Hatch. If only the ill-conceived genius of Adrian Newey had been focused somewhere else. Formula One might have remained at this fantastic level if he and Hermann Tilke had been tasked with designing a track replicating the Great Wall of China. |
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Post by Carl on Jan 29, 2022 23:38:18 GMT
Oh yes, I totally agree. Those cars looked faster... and more dangerous (..which they were)! Here is an even better little film of Ayrton at Brands Hatch in 1986 during qualifying, a lovely bit of pit film work to accompany the action on track. Wonderful material which I never saw at the time as I was at trackside  . John, The videos your posted are great footage of an epochal period in Formula One. With 1200 plus horsepower and the stickiest qualifying tyres not even lasting a full lap, the challenge for drivers was awesome to watch. The green button on Senna's steering wheel had an identical function and may have inspired the temporary power increase of Indycar's "push to pass", which came later. |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 31, 2022 9:27:08 GMT
Such wonderful memories - the circuit looked superb and such a challenge to get right, and then the cars, the beautiful, elegant, potentially lethal brute of a car - or rather elegant brutality and then the driver, what more can be said? those really were fabulous days - I know as I remember sitting there - in jaw dropping awe, they just looked so fast, both 'live' and on TV, and although I am firmly routed in my favourite drivers I could not do anything else but respect those drivers of that era as well.
I liked the 'green button' idea and loathe with a passion DRS, I detest it and wish it was banned with immediate effect, although I am aware it is discretional or something, I was also a big fan of KERS, that just makes sense to me - especially is you want to transfer that technology to road cars, and for my lack of understanding as to why it was stopped, imagine cars having an overtaking button - great fun - but I do wish they would rid us of DRS and replace it with KERS or similar, so the driver has to think about when how etc - sorry tangent
talking of Brands I am hopefully getting down there this year and pondered the thought could it handle today's F1 cars? would it want to?
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Post by charleselan on Jan 31, 2022 12:44:38 GMT
Here we have yet another wonderful sequence taken at Brands Hatch during testing for the 1985 European GP by the same guy who obviously was taking the action from the spectator enclosures and no doubt using a VHS Camera. The quality is very good indeed and also the sound is very impressive.
What I like most is that the cameras angles are exactly as you would see it yourself from trackside. The wonderful section as they plunge down into the dip before Hawthornes Corner is brilliant and one of the best corners to take photos, the inside of the bend the best angle.
This is just fantastic material and definitely during one of the best F1 seasons ever.
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Post by René on Jan 31, 2022 17:19:34 GMT
Oh yes, I totally agree. Those cars looked faster... and more dangerous (..which they were)! Here is an even better little film of Ayrton at Brands Hatch in 1986 during qualifying, a lovely bit of pit film work to accompany the action on track. Wonderful material which I never saw at the time as I was at trackside . This is so good! I also love the shot where you see Gérard Ducarouge smoking a fag in the pits. As if the racing wasn't dangerous enough back then...  |
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Post by René on Jan 31, 2022 17:22:17 GMT
Here we have yet another wonderful sequence taken at Brands Hatch during testing for the 1985 European GP by the same guy who obviously was taking the action from the spectator enclosures and no doubt using a VHS Camera. The quality is very good indeed and also the sound is very impressive. What I like most is that the cameras angles are exactly as you would see it yourself from trackside. The wonderful section as they plunge down into the dip before Hawthornes Corner is brilliant and one of the best corners to take photos, the inside of the bend the best angle. This is just fantastic material and definitely during one of the best F1 seasons ever. Love it. Those 'amateur' shots indeed capture so much better the feel of being there. Great stuff. |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 31, 2022 21:08:25 GMT
Bringing back the sweetest memories of a wonderful time, with some beautiful cars
I am very impressed and grateful to the amateur video taker, interesting for me where he/she liked to watch I don’t remember watching any F1 cars from infield I did of course for other series such as group c
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 1, 2022 11:06:15 GMT
That Williams FW10 looked fast even when it was stationary. Loved that car and all the 1985 cars. Probably some of the prettiest ever.
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Post by charleselan on Feb 1, 2022 16:17:54 GMT
That Williams FW10 looked fast even when it was stationary. Loved that car and all the 1985 cars. Probably some of the prettiest ever. Absolutely Rob, I don't think there was a duff looking car that year and the drivers were pretty impressive as well. The FW10/10B were my favourite Williams cars, fabulous looking things and probably one of the noisiest I have ever heard. I liked the FW11 as well but tend to side with the 10's nose interpretation better, it just looks so purposeful and yet agile. These films were made by a guy called Barry Price and he has done quite a few of that period at Brands Hatch, really well done indeed and as René mentions they really put you at trackside. Brands always had some truly wonderful vantage points for spectators and photographers, just loved the place. |
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 2, 2022 8:54:39 GMT
I also loved Brands, especially after I had been there in 1985. I always wondered why DSJ made the odd disparaging remark about it, I thought it a real challenge and the lap was short enough and the terrain such that one saw a lot of action.
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