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Post by René on Nov 23, 2021 12:37:21 GMT
I found my dream car so immediately made a call to Maranello to safe one for me.  Then they said they wanted 2 million for it…   Watch the car at the Ferrari days at Mugello and, from 1.12 min onwards, together with a 330P3, 330P3/4 and a 412P. Drool…. |
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 23, 2021 12:57:33 GMT
Hmm not sure Rene. I am a bit old fashioned and don't like all the fiddley bits plus the waisted part in the middle. The 50+ year old cars look prettier to me and they are smaller. I may also have a problem with the price tag.
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Post by René on Nov 23, 2021 17:24:34 GMT
Hmm not sure Rene. I am a bit old fashioned and don't like all the fiddley bits plus the waisted part in the middle. The 50+ year old cars look prettier to me and they are smaller. I may also have a problem with the price tag. Rob sure, that's personal taste. I think the car looks fab. And you can drive it on the road unlike the 330 and 412P's.
The price tag is a thingy.. yeah.. 
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 23, 2021 17:38:53 GMT
Hmm not sure Rene. I am a bit old fashioned and don't like all the fiddley bits plus the waisted part in the middle. The 50+ year old cars look prettier to me and they are smaller. I may also have a problem with the price tag. Rob sure, that's personal taste. I think the car looks fab. And you can drive it on the road unlike the 330 and 412P's.
The price tag is a thingy.. yeah..
yep-mainly the price tag |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 23, 2021 18:34:44 GMT
Good luck Rene
Funny enough although it’s very interesting and I think the McLaren might just have the edge…..
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Post by mikael on Nov 23, 2021 21:35:06 GMT
I agree it's a good-looking car. Interesting to read that it was inspired by the 330 P3/4, etc. But I must also say, I agree with Rob in that, it can't hold a candle to, say, an original 330 P4.
As to the size, it's probably not possible to make cars of the size of the '60's and '70's and still be able to satisfy the safety demands nowadays.
As to a "heritage-inspired" sports car, I still think that Ford's concept for the 2005 Ford GT, to make an almost accurate 1.1:1 (one point one to one) "copy" of the Mk. II Ford GT40, was the most brilliant idea "ever". That's what Ferrari should have done, in my humble opinion: making a slightly enlarged "copy" of, say, the 330 P4. It would be a sensation - and a hit!
A 2005 Ford GT together with an original (1967) Ford GT40 Mk. III (the very rare road-going version)
 A beautiful 2006 Ford GT in "heritage" paint scheme
The last real/original Ford GT40 Mk. II, chassis No. P/1085 from 1969 - just sold (auctioned) for £2,508,000 (!) Source:
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Post by chrisb on Nov 24, 2021 13:46:13 GMT
Oh my word I have just watched the whole 15 minutes and am struggling to find suitable words and to stop gawping at these magnificent machines that are genuinely works of art, still not convinced by the new car but the other cars are jaw droppingingly gorgeous
Mikael, ford have done a good job with the Gt40 and this is becoming a wonderful way for some car companies to make some serious money when I was at the Aston Martin factory a couple of years ago they were building some new DB6’s and of course they were all pre sold but wouldn’t it be marvellous if a new Healey or Mini etc with modern equipment was suddenly announced, sadly I couldn’t afford these beauties but I can at least admire
The clip is finishing and the close ups of the P3 and 4 are just breathtaking
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Post by René on Nov 24, 2021 16:59:51 GMT
As to a "heritage-inspired" sports car, I still think that Ford's concept for the 2005 Ford GT, to make an almost accurate 1.1:1 (one point one to one) "copy" of the Mk. II Ford GT40, was the most brilliant idea "ever". That's what Ferrari should have done, in my humble opinion: making a slightly enlarged "copy" of, say, the 330 P4. It would be a sensation - and a hit!
I understand what you mean Mikael but doing what Ford did with the GT40 would be very un-Ferrari like. The 330P4 is arguably the most beautiful race car ever build and building a road going replica would not be their style and will always be second best (at best). And as Enzo once said; "The best Ferrari is yet to be built. The car which I have not yet created."
In that spirit Ferrari will never continue on the same design concept for ages like Porsche does or build a replica of a previous success model. New Ferraris must always be modern and state-of-the-art. But sometimes with a nod to the past like with this SP3 model or with the recent 296 GTB that links to the famous 250 LM. Ferrari 296 GTBThe Ferrari that comes closest design wise to the 330 P4 is the Ferrari P4/5 designed by Pininfarina and commissioned built for James Glickenhaus. It's a one off car though so not part of Ferrari's official line-up.  |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 24, 2021 18:14:20 GMT
Whenever I think of more modern cars that hark back to a design from the past, some iconic others not so, then I can't help but refer to the Chrysler PT Cruiser.
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2021 18:48:46 GMT
I don't see how, as the video claims, the public was being honoured by the three Ferraris lapping slowly at Mugello, unless by public is meant multi-millionaires like René...  In any case, the P3 and P4 should have led. I like the color, but it's closer to the holy grail of American hot rodders, Candy Apple Red. |
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Post by René on Nov 24, 2021 19:58:39 GMT
Whenever I think of more modern cars that hark back to a design  from the past, some iconic others not so, then I can't help but refer to the Chrysler PT Cruiser. My eyes still hurt from the first time I saw it! |
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Post by mikael on Nov 26, 2021 20:34:04 GMT
Interesting insight about Ferrari, René.
As to the Chrysler PT Cruiser, I have seen only a few, but I recall finding the idea interesting, and I thought it made sense (to go back to that design philosophy) in the light that SUV's were becoming more and more popular.
In the same vein, the (BMW) "Mini Cooper" and the VW "Beetle" should then perhaps also be mentioned. As to the latter, I think it's actually looking more and more like a modernized version of a Porsche 356 than a "Beetle".
Now, I can't resist returning to the 2005 Ford GT. What I found so appealing about it (not that ever possibly could afford buying one, of course), is that, since it was "just a Ford", it was all about performance, rather than "prestige". I imagine (without knowing it for sure, of course), that most buyers were well aware of - and also fascinated by - its racing history. (On the contrary, I imagine that many Ferrari- Porsche owners have no idea whatsoever about the racing history of these marques.)
And then, again, that everything (by the Ford) followed the original so truthfully - only modified such that it wouldn't become too unpractical - I though it was great! While I couldn't ever afford the car, I could at least afford a couple of books about it
The original
The modern (2005) version
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In any case, the P3 and P4 should have led.
from the past, some iconic others not so, then I can't help but refer to the Chrysler PT Cruiser.
