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Post by René on Aug 1, 2021 19:24:31 GMT
Great win for Esteban Ocon! Of course he was lucky to be in that position but then he drove like a champion, keeping a 4x champion behind him. A perfect drive by the young Frenchman and some very useful help from his experienced teammate!
Sebastian drove equally strong but couldn’t make the pass. Even with DRS it’s still not easy to overtake on this track. But a very good result for Aston Martin although I just read he may lose his second place because there was not enough fuel left in the car…
A shame Carlos lost a podium in the end because he drove magnificent and overruling the team on pit stop strategy was very strong! Good on you Carlos. But he now may get that third after all if Seb is disqualified.
Coming back to the help Esteban got from Fernando when he held back a much faster Lewis, it was quite interesting to hear Alonso say on Dutch tv that he not only helped Ocon and his team but he was also very happy to help Max! Whenever he can take points from Lewis in favor of Max he will do it he said. No love lost between Fernando and Lewis…
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 1, 2021 19:33:43 GMT
Charles and Rene good points. Ted Kravitz was even more dire than Croft with his childish attempt at amateur Shakespearean oratory on the starting grid. Really the Sky English commentary team becomes more pathetic each event. Thank goodness Nico and Karun were there to provide some balance. I am afraid I can't wait for the day when SLH and Tonto leave the sport. Great a driver he may be but his constant theatrics and messages over the radio really get me down.
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 1, 2021 20:08:29 GMT
I think that there should be a large financial penalty if teams continue to infringe. Mercedes have knocked three Red Bulls out of the last two races denying them a possible 50 points. In the meantime the transgressors have scored 55 points, a 105 point swing. Seems unfair to me.
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 1, 2021 20:10:39 GMT
I have just read that Seb and Aston Martin were disqualified from the Hungarian GP so SLH comes second. Make that a 108 point swing.
It's not that he drove a mega race as he had the fastest car by at least 1.5 seconds a lap and all the people that may have prevented him from driving through the field, Verstappen, Perez, Leclerc and Norris had already been taken off the board by BBB.
I am not a happy bunny at all.
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Post by Carl on Aug 1, 2021 23:22:50 GMT
I watched the truncated highlights on youtube, sound off obviously, so missed what Nico said, whether or not it was a deliberate act remains debatable and I would question if it would have made any difference anyway but what it was, it wasn't an act of class but just crass reflecting the need to win at any cost, not my scene man- funny enough with an afternoon of BSB at Thruxton, my word I had forgotten what a circuit that is, I sense I may focus on the motorbikes, less soap opera more racing may need to be the slogan for 2022 and a forlorn hope that racing may return to F1 Chris, Rosberg said with a laugh that it was pure gamesmanship  |
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Post by Carl on Aug 1, 2021 23:56:28 GMT
The race almost self-destructed when the focus turned away from drivers to pitstops and teams tried to cut each other, under and over, but then recovered brilliantly with Esteban Obon's superb win and the magnificent defense by Alpine teammate Fernando Alonso, without which Hamilton might have won. For the first time in years I watched the ceremony afterwards because I was so happy for Ocon and Alpine. It was wonderful to see the entire team singing "La Marseillaise", as triumphant and moving as the scene in "Casablanca".
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Post by charleselan on Aug 2, 2021 11:25:12 GMT
Well the farce continues. Not enough fuel left or able to be extracted from Sebastian's Aston Martin so he get disqualified and now Aston are appealing. Up a place moves SLH and yet more points, but very worthy as he says he is really suffering physically probably from Long Covid, so that was a mammoth achievement. Maybe he should cast his mind to the history books and see that during the 1972 season JYS suffered from a stomach ulcer caused by the stress of racing in not only F1 but also other categories with a huge amount of travel, don't remember Jackie making a big fuss about that.
Apparently Checo Perez will require a new motor for the next race and as that means he has exceeded his allowance he gets a 10 place grid penalty. How in gods name can that be fair when the engine loss was due to the damage inflicted by Bottas' brain fart. Yet Valterri only gets a 5 place drop for eliminating two cars and severely damaging another. Personally I feel that Bottas should get a 15 place grid penalty at minimum (3 X 5 places, 5 places for each car compromised) and that MB should foot the bill for the engine replacement and out of their allocation.
Also I read that Sebastian has been reprimanded for wearing a protest LGBQT+ 'T' Shirt against the Hungarian governments anti laws. Not very impressive from the powers that be in F1 at the moment, they are digging themselves into a bigger and bigger hole as they appear to have no understanding of what the majority feel on many subjects within the sport.
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Post by René on Aug 2, 2021 17:40:04 GMT
I think that there should be a large financial penalty if teams continue to infringe. Mercedes have knocked three Red Bulls out of the last two races denying them a possible 50 points. In the meantime the transgressors have scored 55 points, a 105 point swing. Seems unfair to me. Well, you’re not alone in that idea: “ Guilty rivals should pay for F1 crash damage, says Ferrari” Autosport link: www.autosport.com/f1/news/guilty-rivals-should-pay-for-f1-crash-damage-says-ferrari/6641026/ |
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Post by René on Aug 2, 2021 17:47:26 GMT
Also I read that Sebastian has been reprimanded for wearing a protest LGBQT+ 'T' Shirt against the Hungarian governments anti laws. Not very impressive from the powers that be in F1 at the moment, they are digging themselves into a bigger and bigger hole as they appear to have no understanding of what the majority feel on many subjects within the sport. Agreed, the FIA should show more courage and stand by their people instead of these half-baked ‘we race as one’ statements. Means nothing if you don’t act accordingly. But hey, let’s race in Saudi Arabia. |
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 2, 2021 19:33:31 GMT
Also I read that Sebastian has been reprimanded for wearing a protest LGBQT+ 'T' Shirt against the Hungarian governments anti laws. Not very impressive from the powers that be in F1 at the moment, they are digging themselves into a bigger and bigger hole as they appear to have no understanding of what the majority feel on many subjects within the sport. Agreed, the FIA should show more courage and stand by their people instead of these half-baked ‘we race as one’ statements. Means nothing if you don’t act accordingly. But hey, let’s race in Saudi Arabia. Hypocrisy on a grand scale. Normal lip service is resumed. |
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Post by charleselan on Aug 2, 2021 20:02:45 GMT
I read in the non motoring press today that SLH has said that he has been feeling weak and his head has been swimming for some time. The question one should be asking here is why has he not been talking to all of the medical experts at his disposal both within his team and the F1 paddock, as he claims he has not spoken to any medical person.
Surely if his symptoms are like this then he should not be in the flaming car in the first place. I remember him making this dramatic return after being confirmed with Covid last year, he appeared very eager to do so when it might have been prudent not have done so. Of course the little issue of George Russell's performance wouldn't have been a guiding factor there would it.
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Post by Carl on Aug 2, 2021 22:01:42 GMT
I read in the non motoring press today that SLH has said that he has been feeling weak and his head has been swimming for some time. The question one should be asking here is why has he not been talking to all of the medical experts at his disposal both within his team and the F1 paddock, as he claims he has not spoken to any medical person. Surely if his symptoms are like this then he should not be in the flaming car in the first place. I remember him making this dramatic return after being confirmed with Covid last year, he appeared very eager to do so when it might have been prudent not have done so. Of course the little issue of George Russell's performance wouldn't have been a guiding factor there would it. He did seem exhausted after the race, which I thought was dramatics, but may not have been. If he has been feeling weak after having previously contracted Covid, he should realize the possible danger, consult a good doctor and definitely not hug anyone maskless as he did in Hungary. |
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Post by charleselan on Aug 2, 2021 22:33:08 GMT
I read in the non motoring press today that SLH has said that he has been feeling weak and his head has been swimming for some time. The question one should be asking here is why has he not been talking to all of the medical experts at his disposal both within his team and the F1 paddock, as he claims he has not spoken to any medical person. Surely if his symptoms are like this then he should not be in the flaming car in the first place. I remember him making this dramatic return after being confirmed with Covid last year, he appeared very eager to do so when it might have been prudent not have done so. Of course the little issue of George Russell's performance wouldn't have been a guiding factor there would it. He did seem exhausted after the race, which I thought was dramatics, but may not have been. If he has been feeling weak after having previously contracted Covid, he should realize the possible danger, consult a good doctor and definitely not hug anyone maskless as he did in Hungary. Apparently whilst on the podium Esteban Ocon asked "are you OK Lewis" when he looked rather shaky. It rather makes a mockery of the Covid checks made by F1 if SLH or any other driver has not been the subject of close monitoring throughout. It is not enough just to rely on testing. I also am amazed that SLH has not actually discussed his problems with a top line medical person, for goodness sake anyone who was experiencing these symptoms in ordinary life would have had a word with their doctor. |
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Post by René on Aug 3, 2021 16:54:45 GMT
He didn’t feel well, that was clear on other images they showed on Dutch tv. He said he wasn’t feeling a 100 percent fit for a while so indeed very strange he didn’t talk to a doctor about this earlier. Certainly if he thinks this could be due to his Covid infection. Long Covid is a serious condition. There are many cases of young people and even athletes struggling with extreme fatigue after Covid.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 3, 2021 19:59:19 GMT
With my memory not being what it once was is the manager of the Alpine team was none other than Davide Brivio? Late of Suzuki?
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