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Post by René on Jul 29, 2021 9:43:22 GMT
The last race before the summer break and it could become very hot, not only on the tarmac! Chris's idea of a cage fight between Mr. T and one of the Bull boys sounds very exciting to me!  It’s a relatively small and slow circuit but with these modern high downforce beasts, the track is much faster now and some corners even flat. It should suite the Red Bull and I expect Max to strike back but Mercedes will certainly not be far off. Ferrari could also do well here but as I said above, the track is not like Monaco anymore. Still, I expect Charles and Carlos to shine. A good fight with the orange squad is not unlikely either. Lando is on a roll and Danny is feeling more comfortable by the race. And what about Fernando? He won his first Grand Prix here in 2003! One to remember, also for me as I was there!  Kezdődhet a verseny!
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Post by charleselan on Jul 29, 2021 18:30:31 GMT
Tonto v's Mr Citron, that would be the Austrian National Championship, may the worst man win  . |
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Post by Carl on Jul 30, 2021 0:28:48 GMT
Tonto v's Mr Citron, that would be the Austrian National Championship, may the worst man win . A post-race wrestling match with both contestants appropriately dressed would encourage the crowd to leave.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 30, 2021 8:15:32 GMT
It's all gone away, the Stewards threw out the appeal. I think Mercedes got away scot free. 25 points up and GBP1.3 million damage to Red Bull and an unrepentant SLH said he would do it again should the same circumstances arise.
I don't particularly like Red Bull but I like Mercedes even less.
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Post by René on Jul 30, 2021 10:45:40 GMT
It's all gone away, the Stewards threw out the appeal. I think Mercedes got away scot free. 25 points up and GBP1.3 million damage to Red Bull and an unrepentant SLH said he would do it again should the same circumstances arise. I don't particularly like Red Bull but I like Mercedes even less. I share your dislike for those teams Rob, or better their management. And the penalty was not really a serious penalty.
But personally, I don't believe Hamilton did it on purpose. And the whole Red Bull case is build on the assumption that Lewis did it on purpose which I think is ridiculous. You cannot do that on purpose without a huge risk of damaging your own car or yourself. Lewis was extremely lucky they red flagged the race so they could change the wheels. Otherwise he would have retired with a broken rim.
Max thought it so great how Senna crashed into Prost at Suzuka 1990 (which was clearly on purpose) and now someone hits him at high speed and suddenly it's unfair.
They should all just stop wining and get on with the job.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 30, 2021 11:53:20 GMT
Yep Rene leaves a bad taste in one's mouth all around. Made worse by the video of Ronnie overtaking Niki in Monaco. Everybody publicly seemed to think it was a racing incident and therefore nothing should be said. I think it is a poor state of affairs when barging into someone is deemed all part of the game but I guess that's the way modern life goes.
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Post by chrisb on Jul 30, 2021 15:39:37 GMT
The crash was both avoidable and in my opinion a result of knowing that you can get away with it, with 'just' a damaged car, I dislike both teams especially now Niki isn't there to say it how it is, I just think a point was being made by both and neither would give way to the other, it was a case of ego over sense for me.
anyway onwards and upwards we go, and to the beautiful little circuit which on TV looks boring but in 'real life' is quite interesting to watch, I went in 07 [when Felipe had his nut incident with Rubens] and loved the place - I see Valteri is doing well, wonder if that will be allowed to continue, the thing that mars it for me is this 'supporting your team leader bit' and Alonso? surely he can't be there next year can he?
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Post by charleselan on Jul 30, 2021 17:43:05 GMT
Like others I am no fan of either team, and least of all the team principals, and if truth be told either driver. The whole affair was unsavoury and the rancorous words afterwards brought the sport into disrespect.
I am not completely of the belief that SLH did not go into that corner with the thought that it would be clear cut, he looked like a desperate man to me throughout the lap in his attempt to pass. He knew that Max had him on the ropes and his only chance was to get in front by hook or crook, as he had seen the outcome of not doing so in the Sprint race. Many seasoned racers (Webber; Coultard and Button) have said that he was going in way too hot, and I am certain this is what gets to the RB guys as they know that was the situation.
No way were the powers that be going to change their minds as they have form in that respect, so it was a forgone conclusion.
I do not believe that Max will do anything stupid in attempting retaliation, he will do everything to beat SLH on the track to make his point. Others in the paddock like Tonto etc can hype up a future run in, but I do not see Max falling for that. SLH loves to play the victim, that is his M.O., you know the stuff the RB car is faster than us.
Now we hear from George Russell that being a team player is more important than his desire to win the championship. For goodness sake lad what the blazes are you doing, did Hamilton do that when he and Fernando were together at McLaren. If this is Tonto's idea of allowing him to join MB next year then he disgusts me more than ever.
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Post by Carl on Jul 31, 2021 3:53:21 GMT
Well said everyone and I completely agree. Like all prima donnas and most pampered toddlers, Hamilton can do no wrong in his own mind and to many of his fans. To someone so vain, a rival not backing off when provoked is offensive, a delusion which also seems to be the policy of his team. He was clearly desperate to lead and took the reckless chance that Verstappen would lift.
"What a world! What a world!" -the Wicked Witch of the West
"He hit me! He hit me!"
-Hamilton at Spa 2014
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Post by René on Jul 31, 2021 12:32:18 GMT
Its' looking very close between Lewis and Max so that's going to be an exciting qualifying. Valtteri not far off and the Ferrari boys are also looking good. Sergio still has problems over 1 lap pace to keep up with Max.
Big off for Mick but he seemed okay!
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Post by René on Jul 31, 2021 17:54:36 GMT
Well, that was quite a blow that Mercedes dealt to Red Bull. We’ll have to see what tomorrow brings but somehow I had a 2018 deja vu where Vettel/Ferrari were leading the championship until halfway season and then Mercedes made another step and blew Ferrari away. But of course I could be wrong.
What a shame for Carlos Sainz but apparently it was a wind gust that gave him a huge oversteer. In the end not a good qualy for Ferrari but good results for Perez and certainly Pierre Gasly!
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Post by Carl on Jul 31, 2021 21:16:48 GMT
"Lewis Hamilton says suggestions he deliberately held up the Red Bull drivers late Formula 1 qualifying at Budapest are 'so silly' and insists he does not deploy gamesmanship tactics." - quote from motorsport.com
Some say this proves he is delusional and believes truth to be silly.
Nico Rosberg has great insight about all that is happening, easily on a par with the best regular commentators, Martin Brundle and Karun Chandhok.
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Post by chrisb on Aug 1, 2021 9:59:18 GMT
I watched the truncated highlights on youtube, sound off obviously, so missed what Nico said, whether or not it was a deliberate act remains debatable and I would question if it would have made any difference anyway but what it was, it wasn't an act of class but just crass reflecting the need to win at any cost, not my scene man- funny enough with an afternoon of BSB at Thruxton, my word I had forgotten what a circuit that is, I sense I may focus on the motorbikes, less soap opera more racing may need to be the slogan for 2022 and a forlorn hope that racing may return to F1
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 1, 2021 17:21:38 GMT
Well BBB (Bowling Ball Bottas) spoiled a potential race of champions. I loved Alonso's defence of his position, even to the point where SLH said at that speed it is dangerous, amazing how perceptions can change in two weeks. Great to see a win for ALpine and Ocon and a good race by Seb. What could have been for Sainz. A nice result for F1, just a pity that Mercedes get rewarded for making a mistake.
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Post by charleselan on Aug 1, 2021 18:22:04 GMT
Is this really Grand Prix motor racing that we are currently witnessing?
If the total farce that was the qualification on Saturday enough, we then had almost a quarter of the field decimated by a driver error that was farcical. I should have said two driver errors but I have a feeling that the hapless Stroll was somewhat confused by what was going on in front of him, well that might be some mitigation.
Bottas has been woeful at starting both this year and last, and this has placed him in the embarrassing position he was in today. Yet again he was swamped by others when he had one of the most advantageous starting positions, and it would seem that he has been dire in the beginning of a race ever since his blinding start in Austria several years ago.
Going back to qualifying I can remember the good old days when every session counted and all the drivers were out setting faster and faster times, now look at it, all changed to make it "better" for TV, and due to regulations that brought this current format into being. So now you have clowns playing games with others by driving so slowly that it makes you wonder if it is a motor race at all.
Sadly I watched via S*YF1and had the truly awful Croft gabbling on in his most incomprehensible idiocy. Firstly it was Verstappen who had ruined his own race in the accident at the first corner when it was immediately obvious that Bottas had caused it. After the clown ranted about so many other foolish things that i lost count, other than Hamilton was just brilliant and every other driver was holding the poor wee mite up.
However some of Crofts idiocy was made up by Nico Rosberg who was superb in the comms box, dare I say better than Martin Brundle, he also wasn't shy about correcting Croft either.
So pleased for Esteban Ocon who drove an unbelievable race, so calm and mature and what a win for Alpine. Also a superb drive by Sebastian who was obviously quicker but due to the nature of the Hungarian track could not pass, that is unless you had a massive car advantage like MB (but of course the RB is so much better). Fernando was mighty and I thought his defence against SLH was some of the best driving I have seen in years, absolute class.
A massive big round of applause for Carlos as well for he was magnificent, and his awareness in the car was truly outstanding as he told his team what to do and not the other way around, that guy is outstanding.
In closing I do not agree with booing of any sort, but there was one hell of a lot of bad feeling floating around in those stands. No matter what he might say about it giving him strength SLH looked taken aback by it and visibly shocked, he might learn that when you stoke the fires it is often not a sound idea.
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