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Post by Carl on Mar 30, 2021 16:22:34 GMT
I thought for Bottas's self-esteem he would be better off elsewhere but that would mean a lot less money and an opportunity if a problem with Lewis happened of winning, maybe he is resigned to the silver pennies and secondary role - I just think he is a good driver - a good one and a half - not quite a number one but not a number two either and a jolly decent chap, who deserves better than Wolff is offering, wonder where he will go to next year. If this is a one year contract for Lewis is that suggesting anything? Carl, far be it for me to disagree with Leo and I am not sure I am, but Fangio, Jimmy amongst others were pretty nice guys, however, that was a long time ago and does it still apply? Chris, Your description of Valtteri is perfect and he deserves far better treatment at Mercedes than he's received. One part of the equation is the maturity level of a team's number one driver. Hamilton is a prima donna and at times childish, both things which Clark and Fangio emphatically never were. The management at Mercedes has a crude understanding that Hamilton's ego can be bolstered by disparaging number two, sometimes in public.
I should have made clear that Leo Durocher was somewhat crazed and not someone I would want to sit within earshot on a train. I included his quotes to discredit the "win at all costs" philosophy.
Brooklyn Dodger Manager Durocher (2) was ejected from games 94 times 
-Carl (at most times nice enough)
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Post by charleselan on Mar 30, 2021 19:50:46 GMT
I will say it now, I cannot stand Woolf there is something about the guy that just grates with me, sincerity isn't his strongest asset.
Valteri is a good driver no question but he cannot live in the world of the super stars, as Dirty Harry said "a man has to know his limitations". Totally agree that he is a deserving F1 (for a minute I wrote GP, fool) driver but then so were Kevin and Romain.
What also concerns me is Woolf's control over George Russell's career, and that isn't going to progress as long as Hamilton wants to carry on, so where does that leave the lad, plodding around in a Williams. Hopefully Jost Capito will weave his magic at Williams and they will become a force once more but it will be one hell of a task.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 31, 2021 8:33:12 GMT
thank you Carl, we share similar views my friend,
Mark Hughes has written a piece on Lewis on where he goes from here, I am still of the opinion that he is getting so much involved in other aspects of life he won't have time for F1, in saying that if he is not WDC this year will that encourage him to remain,
I do feel Williams are starting to slowly turn a corner but it would be a travesty if George doesn't get a fair crack of the WDC,
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Post by René on Mar 31, 2021 10:57:12 GMT
I will say it now, I cannot stand Woolf there is something about the guy that just grates with me, sincerity isn't his strongest asset. Valteri is a good driver no question but he cannot live in the world of the super stars, as Dirty Harry said "a man has to know his limitations". Totally agree that he is a deserving F1 (for a minute I wrote GP, fool) driver but then so were Kevin and Romain. What also concerns me is Woolf's control over George Russell's career, and that isn't going to progress as long as Hamilton wants to carry on, so where does that leave the lad, plodding around in a Williams. Hopefully Jost Capito will weave his magic at Williams and they will become a force once more but it will be one hell of a task.
This must surely be Russell's last season at Williams, he's already spent too much time there. A Bottas <> Russell swap seems obvious and the right thing to do but the current situation is not working in George's favour as there are not many other options.
And assuming that Hamilton stays on for another year, how would he feel about Russell as his new teammate? That would mean a lot more pressure from the other side of the garage and is Lewis still willing to take that on?
And assuming that Hamilton calls it a day, does Mercedes/Toto dare to put all their cards on Russell (like Ferrari did with Leclerc) and keep Bottas 5.0 or another Bottas. Or do they take Verstappen? And will a Verstappen/Russell team work? I doubt it to be honest. The fireworks will get out of hand pretty fast I think.
What other options are there for George next year? Not Ferrari, not McLaren, maybe Aston Martin if Vettel doesn't find his mojo soon? Or Red Bull if Max moves to Merc. But then George needs to be released by Toto from all his Merc obligations. Is Toto willing to release his brightest talent?
Well, more questions then answers but it does show how a super talent somehow can still miss the boat with a bit of bad luck. There is a lot of talent on the grid right now and not many good seats available.
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Post by charleselan on Mar 31, 2021 11:34:24 GMT
Some very good points raised there René. A Bottas swap with George would seem to be the sensible choice but as you correctly say if he were to be paired with Hamilton, the Knight would be less than happy at the challenge posed. George sure as hell isn't prepared to play a Bottas type role and if he were to be so stuipid as to do that his career would be ruined.
There is much chatter about Verstappen being Merc's primary target apres Hamilton and as you again rightly suggest a pairing of Verstappen and Russell would be potentially explosive for obvious reasons. Maybe if Merc signed Verstappen then that would allow George to go to the Fizzy Drink team, however one has to consider that some indications are that Tsunodo is being earmarked for the big team.
I see that Brawn has been quoted as saying that Tsunodo is the best rookie for a long time; yes he looks promising but better than Charles; George; Lando and even Max! Sometimes I wonder how these people get as far as they do in F1 when they come out with stuff like this, that is if the quote is correct.
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Post by René on Mar 31, 2021 11:57:01 GMT
Some very good points raised there René. A Bottas swap with George would seem to be the sensible choice but as you correctly say if he were to be paired with Hamilton, the Knight would be less than happy at the challenge posed. George sure as hell isn't prepared to play a Bottas type role and if he were to be so stuipid as to do that his career would be ruined. There is much chatter about Verstappen being Merc's primary target apres Hamilton and as you again rightly suggest a pairing of Verstappen and Russell would be potentially explosive for obvious reasons. Maybe if Merc signed Verstappen then that would allow George to go to the Fizzy Drink team, however one has to consider that some indications are that Tsunodo is being earmarked for the big team. I see that Brawn has been quoted as saying that Tsunodo is the best rookie for a long time; yes he looks promising but better than Charles; George; Lando and even Max! Sometimes I wonder how these people get as far as they do in F1 when they come out with stuff like this, that is if the quote is correct. Yes, the Brawn quote was a bit weird. We can all see Yuki has the speed but A) it is only his first race so let's wait and see and B) overlooking Max, Charles, George and Lando is a bit worrying to say the least!  But as you say, if the quote is correct. |
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Post by robmarsh on Mar 31, 2021 14:39:22 GMT
They say a week is a long time in politics and given F1 being what it is then maybe a week is a long time there as well. Therefore Ross Brawn's comment re Yuki is correct.....for this week. I do wish public figures would use less hyperbole and be more circumspect and respectful when they open their mouths.
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Post by charleselan on Mar 31, 2021 15:50:54 GMT
In all fairness to Ross Brawn he wasn't exactly known for his ability in talent spotting was he. Michael was brought to Benetton by Tom Walkinshaw during his brief stay with he team, where he along with Schumacher's management team out flanked Eddie Jordan.
Then at Mercedes Benz it was Niki that brought Lewis to the team. So dear old Ross wasn't exactly a Ken Tyrrell in that respect.
I like your take on long period of time Rob. Yesterday's news was indeed yesterday.
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Post by robmarsh on Mar 31, 2021 17:49:21 GMT
Hi John Charles. I wonder how much of a background role, if any, BCE played in getting MSC into Benetton and SLH into Mercedes.
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Post by charleselan on Apr 1, 2021 12:53:58 GMT
Hi John Charles. I wonder how much of a background role, if any, BCE played in getting MSC into Benetton and SLH into Mercedes. Rob, I have little doubt that Ecclestone was sniffing around somewhere during those moves. For me I always get the feeling that the powers that be wanted to have a super star at the head of the field. First it was Senna, then Schumacher and then eventually Hamilton. Now they wish to impose Verstappen as the new god, but I think that Charles and Co will have something to say about that if they get comparable machinery. Charles is the new Gilles and that is a fact that they cannot take away, and hopefully Charles will complete what Gilles was sadly not able too do for Ferrari; multiple world championships  . JC |
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Post by robmarsh on Apr 1, 2021 16:36:31 GMT
Hi John Charles. I wonder how much of a background role, if any, BCE played in getting MSC into Benetton and SLH into Mercedes. Rob, I have little doubt that Ecclestone was sniffing around somewhere during those moves. For me I always get the feeling that the powers that be wanted to have a super star at the head of the field. First it was Senna, then Schumacher and then eventually Hamilton. Now they wish to impose Verstappen as the new god, but I think that Charles and Co will have something to say about that if they get comparable machinery. Charles is the new Gilles and that is a fact that they cannot take away, and hopefully Charles will complete what Gilles was sadly not able too do for Ferrari; multiple world championships . JC Hear Hear |
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Post by René on Apr 2, 2021 9:57:44 GMT
Charles is the new Gilles and that is a fact that they cannot take away, and hopefully Charles will complete what Gilles was sadly not able too do for Ferrari; multiple world championships . JC
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Post by chrisb on Apr 8, 2021 6:46:07 GMT
I see the good Dr is excluding Charles from the 'two best' hopefully he will proved wrong - yet again
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Post by Carl on Apr 8, 2021 17:18:15 GMT
I see the good Dr is excluding Charles from the 'two best' hopefully he will proved wrong - yet again Chris, Do you mean Doctor Marko? If I were his patient, I would allow no injections and insist on being close to an emergency exit.  -Carl |
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Post by René on Apr 8, 2021 17:32:53 GMT
I see the good Dr is excluding Charles from the 'two best' hopefully he will proved wrong - yet again Chris, Do you mean Doctor Marko? If I were his patient, I would allow no injections and insist on being close to an emergency exit. -Carl   |
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But as you say, if the quote is correct. 
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