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Post by René on Nov 21, 2020 18:19:13 GMT
There’s another Dutch talent and 'son of' making a name for himself in Italian WSK karting right now and the word is he’s really fast! Still a long way to go but the son of Jan Lammers, René, is seen by many who know about karting as a very bright talent. I knew Jan’s son was karting (after first having tried soccer) but his recent success only came to my attention a few days ago when Jan and René were guests in a popular talk show. I must say I was very impressed with the young Lammers. Not only by his speed in the kart but also by the way he expressed himself. A little bit shy but very articulate. The kid is extremely bright at 12 years old studying pre university in multiple languages including Chinese! As Jan said, his mother is very intelligent!  Referring back to Rob’s comment about these young kids not having a normal childhood, I do have the feeling René and Jan are very balanced in this regard. Maybe it’s because René is so bright or maybe I’m just a bit prejudiced but the kid seemed happy and said the choice to go racing was his. Well, probably a little push from his dad... 
Let’s see how far René reaches. His dream is F1 of course… |
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 22, 2020 9:44:06 GMT
Nice post Rene. I always liked Jan Lammers. He came to South Africa about 10/12 years ago to race in the SA version of Goodwood at a small little track called Zwartkops. Seemed to be a really nice guy, totally unaffected so i will follow young Rene's career with interest.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 23, 2020 8:50:31 GMT
that is a good post Rene, like Rob I always took to Jan, his documentary on Zandvoort remains one of my favourite ones, and his driving in the Jags was brilliant, and so I will look out for his son and hopefully he will be Holland's first WDC
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Post by charleselan on Nov 23, 2020 15:13:36 GMT
A brilliant post René. Young René Lammers sounds as though he has a great future in motor sport, and with that level of intelligence anything the young man sets his mind to. A bit like Nico Rosberg in that respect I feel. Jan was a very good driver whose talent was not fulfilled in F1 sadly, he had the ability to do so much better but never had a decent machine under him. However in sports cars, particularly Group C, he was mighty. I have mentioned this before but his duel with Eddie Cheever in the TWR Jaguars at Silverstone for the 6 Hours was something to behold, both that day had been fed with red meat. They actually drove the wheels off those Jag's, forget Eddie and Derek Warwick's rivalry it was nothing like those two put on that day. Chris' last few words from his post above are pure gold, René Lammers the first Dutch world champion, just laughed my head off to that one Chris. Not I hasten to add that I think it is absurd, but at the thought of Verstappen not being the multiple WC some feel he will be   . |
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Post by René on Nov 23, 2020 19:15:28 GMT
Jan has always been a genuine nice guy, always positive and not an ounce of arrogance. He most certainly had the talent to be succesful in F1 would he have had a shot in a competitive car. He actually was on the Ferrari short list after Gilles's death but of course they decided for Tambay. Podiums and wins would have been almost certain. But that's how it goes as Kimi would say. If Jan's son really makes a successful career in international motorsport remains to be seen. Maybe he decides otherwise in a few years time and becomes a doctor or scientist, who knows. But if he does reach Formula 1 I will most certainly support my namesake!  |
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Post by René on Nov 23, 2020 19:28:56 GMT
that is a good post Rene, like Rob I always took to Jan, his documentary on Zandvoort remains one of my favourite ones, and his driving in the Jags was brilliant, and so I will look out for his son and hopefully he will be Holland's first WDC Chris, the Zandvoort documentary is very good. Do you also have the book? Aso a juwel.  Holland's first WDC? Haha, don't tell the Verstappens! |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 23, 2020 19:44:28 GMT
Jan has always been a genuine nice guy, always positive and not an ounce of arrogance. He most certainly had the talent to be succesful in F1 would he have had a shot in a competitive car. He actually was on the Ferrari short list after Gilles's death but of course they decided for Tambay. Podiums and wins would have been almost certain. But that's how it goes as Kimi would say. If Jan's son really makes a successful career in international motorsport remains to be seen. Maybe he decides otherwise in a few years time and becomes a doctor or scientist, who knows. But if he does reach Formula 1 I will most certainly support my namesake! Is that Jan with Rob Slotemaker, I believe he was Jan's mentor? |
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Post by Carl on Nov 23, 2020 20:19:12 GMT
Jan has always been a genuine nice guy, always positive and not an ounce of arrogance. He most certainly had the talent to be succesful in F1 would he have had a shot in a competitive car. He actually was on the Ferrari short list after Gilles's death but of course they decided for Tambay. Podiums and wins would have been almost certain. But that's how it goes as Kimi would say. If Jan's son really makes a successful career in international motorsport remains to be seen. Maybe he decides otherwise in a few years time and becomes a doctor or scientist, who knows. But if he does reach Formula 1 I will most certainly support my namesake! Is that Jan with Rob Slotemaker, I believe he was Jan's mentor? He was indeed, and instrumental in Jan Lammer's career. I remember reading in MotorSport that Jan Lammer's first job as a teenager was at Rob Slotemaker's Skid School, where he learned a lot about car control with after-hours access to the skid pad, and later received mentor support from his old boss. |
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Post by Carl on Nov 23, 2020 20:28:02 GMT
Jan has always been a genuine nice guy, always positive and not an ounce of arrogance. He most certainly had the talent to be succesful in F1 would he have had a shot in a competitive car. He actually was on the Ferrari short list after Gilles's death but of course they decided for Tambay. Podiums and wins would have been almost certain. But that's how it goes as Kimi would say. If Jan's son really makes a successful career in international motorsport remains to be seen. Maybe he decides otherwise in a few years time and becomes a doctor or scientist, who knows. But if he does reach Formula 1 I will most certainly support my namesake! Champcar benefited from Formula One's indifference, although his tenure was sporadic and brief. You can tell genuine niceness and I had that strong impression when my young nephew got his autograph one year at Long Beach. |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 24, 2020 9:39:14 GMT
sorry chaps couldn't resist it,
No Rene, I haven't but I suspect this may well be added to my collection, which has been graced with some excellent new books! one of which I reading at this time about Hawkeye, a real character
One other book I read recently - lockdown encourages reading- is Eoin Young's book, and he pays a lovely tribute to two guys whom he never heard say a bad word against anyone else, Bruce obviously and of course Jimmy, which proves a point about Jan, nice guys can be winners
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2020 18:05:52 GMT
sorry chaps couldn't resist it, No Rene, I haven't but I suspect this may well be added to my collection, which has been graced with some excellent new books! one of which I reading at this time about Hawkeye, a real character One other book I read recently - lockdown encourages reading- is Eoin Young's book, and he pays a lovely tribute to two guys whom he never heard say a bad word against anyone else, Bruce obviously and of course Jimmy, which proves a point about Jan, nice guys can be winners Chris, Do you mean Hawkeye in "The Last of the Mohicans" or another one? I agree that young Lammers could become Holland's first World Champion, but if you encounter Jos Verstappen in the meantime, you'd better run as fast as Daniel Day Lewis in the film version.
A fine writer, Eoin Young had a monthly column in Road & Track during the glory years of Can-Am and the formative years of Team McLaren in Formula One. His close friendship with Bruce McLaren provided wonderful insider knowledge about the team and its great leader.
Eoin Young, Teddy Mayer, first team hire Wally Willmott, and Bruce McLaren with the McLaren M2B
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Post by charleselan on Nov 24, 2020 19:14:14 GMT
sorry chaps couldn't resist it, No Rene, I haven't but I suspect this may well be added to my collection, which has been graced with some excellent new books! one of which I reading at this time about Hawkeye, a real character One other book I read recently - lockdown encourages reading- is Eoin Young's book, and he pays a lovely tribute to two guys whom he never heard say a bad word against anyone else, Bruce obviously and of course Jimmy, which proves a point about Jan, nice guys can be winners Chris, you rascal . |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 24, 2020 19:18:48 GMT
Thanks Carl that is good information regarding Jan lammers and his mentor. Incidentally I think the "Hawkeye" that Chris is referring to is Paul Hawkins the larger than life Australian driver who notably emulated Alberto Ascari in ending up in the harbour at Monaco. A fine sport car racer who had great success in his own cars always finished in bright red but sadly perished at Oulton Park in his Lola T70 Mk111B. Also could this photo be Jan Lammers with his wife to be and mother on René Lammers?  |
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Post by René on Nov 24, 2020 19:48:21 GMT
Jan has always been a genuine nice guy, always positive and not an ounce of arrogance. He most certainly had the talent to be succesful in F1 would he have had a shot in a competitive car. He actually was on the Ferrari short list after Gilles's death but of course they decided for Tambay. Podiums and wins would have been almost certain. But that's how it goes as Kimi would say. If Jan's son really makes a successful career in international motorsport remains to be seen. Maybe he decides otherwise in a few years time and becomes a doctor or scientist, who knows. But if he does reach Formula 1 I will most certainly support my namesake! Is that Jan with Rob Slotemaker, I believe he was Jan's mentor? As Carl mentioned, Rob Slotemaker was instrumental in Jan's career. A very good driver himself and owner of the Slipschool (skid school). But the man in the picture next to Jan is not Slotemaker but Eric Bessem, a national rally driver.  This is Rob Slotemaker.  And Jantje in the same car...  |
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 24, 2020 19:53:25 GMT
I remember seeing Paul Hawkins race a Team Gunston Can-Am Ferrari P4 in Bulawayo on 1st December 1968 at the Kumalo Circuit. He was in one of the support races to the Rhodesian Grand Prix. This was the first motor racing event I ever attended and it is where I saw my first Ferrari Racing car and my first Formula 1 Lotus 49. Paul Hawkins won his race and John Love won the Grand Prix. My interest in Motor Racing had been ignited by being given a Scalectrix set the previous Christmas and reading about Jim Clark in an annual. The attendance at the race meeting cemented it for evermore.
I remember reading with sadness the following year when Paul Hawkins was killed. It was just a small paragraph in the Monday newspaper.
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