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Post by chrisb on Oct 28, 2020 9:05:41 GMT
after a pretty poor November issue MS seems to have remembered its better colours, and it is a packed piece, however one word of caution there is a large section of watches being sold, this is obviously a money spinner for both the watch manufacturers and MS so I tolerate it especially as the watches are really outside of my price range
there is a great picture of Michael in the Benetton, he really did have such talent and was so flawed, there is an interesting online interview with Martin Whitmarsh who speaks of Michael and is worth a read, however the online article on Michael, basically a reproduction of the article in the magazine, has drawn some interesting comments - some puerile some ok, but basically every comment is not that complimentary of Michael,
Back to the magazine, Nigel has an article on one of the very best motor racing years - 1967- and there are some brilliant photographs and for that alone I rejoice, also a great article on the Chaparral.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 28, 2020 9:36:31 GMT
I enjoyed your comment on the MS forum re Michael. It was the only one worth reading. Actually there is a paucity of comments on the MS articles these days, let alone any good ones. The normal Hamilton fan base seems to have moved elsewhere and I am not going to track them down.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 28, 2020 11:17:35 GMT
I had a quick flick through my online version late last night and have to agree that it is a very good edition right up there with the good copies MS brought out in the early 2000's. I will read the articles in more depth as the days pass and did like what I viewed especially Nigel Roebuck's 1967 feature, not sure if this a contemporary script or from his archive but it is one of his better pieces. 1967 was a sensational year in so many ways and the cars that year were just so varied and beautiful.
Another great feature is the one on Geoff Lees, a man who never really got the breaks in F1 that his talent deserved, every bit the equal of Nigel Mansell in my opinion. He did however have a long and successful career in all sorts of formula especially in Japan where I believe he married a Japanese lady.
The Schumacher feature will be an interesting read. I was not a fan I am afraid, his cynical attitude on track and the protective ring that always seemed to be placed around him was not to my taste. No doubt he was very talented and if Mika Hakkinen praises that side of him that is good enough for me. However the eulogies that Brawn foists upon Michael are not unsurprising, but as Ross was intrinsic in the whole set up around Schumacher he is biased without doubt. Also no doubt Irvine will say all sorts of things about Michael being "superman" just to justify his mislead belief that he was as good as the rest himself; which he patently was not!
Personally speaking I do not care who is better out of Michael or Lewis Hamilton as it is an irrelevance for neither are the greatest.
I am looking forward to reading in more depth this copy of Motorsport.
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Post by chrisb on Oct 29, 2020 10:34:20 GMT
thanks Rob, you are very kind,
John Charles, totally agree, I always thought Michael was a better driver on his own where he could just concentrate on his driving and not be distracted by anything else - according to someone else [sorry forget who] possibly Syd - who thought Michael extremely shy which is why he built this protective barrier around him, not sure on that one,
1967, one of the criticisms of both Jimmy and Alberto Ascari was they liked to just get out in front and couldn't fight or handle being pressurised, baloney, pure and total baloney, or words to that effect - I know of one driver who thought that in one race only of Jimmy's and that was the Tasman series with Chris Amon pressurising Jimmy and his driving getting a bit ragged, humph
I was a fan of Geoff's and thought him the better of the Brits of that era but sadly didn't work out for him,
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Post by charleselan on Oct 30, 2020 14:55:36 GMT
Geoff Lees was a very talented driver and according to the article Colin Chapman rated him but did not sign him unfortunately. He was dominant in Formula Ford and I have great memories of Geoff driving the wheels off assorted "old" F1 cars in the British Aurora series, notably Teddy Yip's red Wolf WR4 where he was up against the likes of Keegan and Edwards in more modern ground effect cars.
A couple of days back I ventured onto the MS site, very quiet on there these days as the "fan boys" seem to finally have departed after polluting it for three years or more. I did read Paul Fearnley's feature on the "Unfortunate Number Two " drivers. Paul isn't one of my favourite writers, far too flowery for my taste, if I want Pre Raphaelites I will look at poetry. Cannot remember now of much written by him, but most was questionable.
Back to the magazine however and I must say how much I enjoyed Nigel Roebucks article on the 1967 season, well written with some wonderful reflections.
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Post by mikael on Oct 30, 2020 19:16:24 GMT
Cannot read the article about the 1967 season but, in whatever way, an extremely beautiful photo of the 1967 Nürburgring starting grid!
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Post by mikael on Oct 31, 2020 9:06:58 GMT
The front row seen from another angle. (In my humble opinion, the most beautiful field of Formula One cars ever seen.)
It's interesting to notice the large "scrutiny" stickers on the front parts of the cars (can also be seen on the previous (MSM) colour photo).
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Post by chrisb on Oct 31, 2020 11:21:50 GMT
Mikael, I would totally agree, the 1967 grid was full on difference and briliance, with many of my favourite cars and drivers, especially one combination, and those engines! the most incredible V8 ever built and a modest but successful one that won two world championships as well that H16 and i still have a clip of the H16 starting up on my phone, gosh how I would love that for my ringtone, problem is I wouldn't answer the damm thing, not that I am that keen on answering it anyway and of course that evocative Eagle V12, and that is just the front row, just beautiful but then 1967 was just that - beautiful,
John Charles, I liked Geoff and thought him very unfortunate in F1 and he could well have gone onto a championship, saw him in F2 and if memory serves me at Zandvoort in 81 - he was good and smooth.
Yes this month's magazine rightly belongs up there with their better examples, a huge improvement on last month, which was consigned to the attic fairly rapidly, whereas this month's is still being reviewed and read, especially the Duncan Hamilton cars that are up for sale, oh money where for art thou?
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Post by charleselan on Oct 31, 2020 11:47:49 GMT
Mikael,
Those two grid shots from the Nurburgring in 1967 are pure beauty. I would say the greatest array of Grand prix cars there has ever been and from a sensational season.
The colour shot is I believe from what was called the "Formation Grid" which they had back then, the cars would then be instructed by the starter to move forward onto the real grid. Seeing all of those cars and drivers which are iconic and in both instances some of the greatest of all time. I would say that probably the greatest line up of drivers ever to grace F1.
It is interesting to see that in the colour shot, someone is missing on the formation grid. That being Jacky Ickx in Ken Tyrrell's F2 Matra MS5 Cosworth FVA, where is he I ask? That year and the one before a race was run at the same time for F2 cars, but the organisers would not let the F2 cars take up what would have been their grid p[lace according to qualifying lap times, so the F2 cars had to make up their place at the rear. Ickx would have been unbelievably on the front row due to his sensational lap time.
He is no where to be seen and surprisingly Hubert Hahne in a Lola BMW (the white car) is in amongst the F1 cars which he should not be, maybe he took up his correct place after moving up to the real grid.
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Post by René on Oct 31, 2020 15:15:22 GMT
Great photos Mikael! A bit of a shame the 'spaghetti exhaust' Ferrari of Chris is so far back  but there's just so much to see on the picture and indeed such a beautiful cars. Wonderful. |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 31, 2020 16:48:40 GMT
Ah! But René that Ferrari was one of the most beautiful cars from Maranello, handled like a dream but was short of horses so much so that a frustrated Chris Amon spent several races looking at the back of Jack Brabham's car, as well as collecting his stones that he threw up at a following vehicle.
Interesting comment about the scrutineering stickers on the cars Mikael, they were very much an idiosyncrasy of the German GP at the time. Another country that had a similar idea was Sweden. I began doing research into the Lotus 79 for a profile I produced in my magazine back in that time and although photographic reference was short compared with today I came across photos of bot Ronnie and Mario's cars. In these pictures I noticed an unusual small circular sticker on the front side of the cockpit surround and basically left it as a question for our readers.
I then gained a reply from a Swedish subscriber who informed me that it was an Anderstorp Circuit scrutineering sticker and he even sent me an example of it, we became good friends afterwards especially as I was such a big fan of Ronnie's.
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Post by Carl on Oct 31, 2020 17:01:28 GMT
Mikael, Those two grid shots from the Nurburgring in 1967 are pure beauty. I would say the greatest array of Grand prix cars there has ever been and from a sensational season. The colour shot is I believe from what was called the "Formation Grid" which they had back then, the cars would then be instructed by the starter to move forward onto the real grid. Seeing all of those cars and drivers which are iconic and in both instances some of the greatest of all time. I would say that probably the greatest line up of drivers ever to grace F1. It is interesting to see that in the colour shot, someone is missing on the formation grid. That being Jacky Ickx in Ken Tyrrell's F2 Matra MS5 Cosworth FVA, where is he I ask? That year and the one before a race was run at the same time for F2 cars, but the organisers would not let the F2 cars take up what would have been their grid p[lace according to qualifying lap times, so the F2 cars had to make up their place at the rear. Ickx would have been unbelievably on the front row due to his sensational lap time. He is no where to be seen and surprisingly Hubert Hahne in a Lola BMW (the white car) is in amongst the F1 cars which he should not be, maybe he took up his correct place after moving up to the real grid. John Charles, I believe Jacky Ickx is right next to Jackie Oliver's second fastest F2 Lotus and just out of the frame.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 31, 2020 17:57:20 GMT
Mikael, Those two grid shots from the Nurburgring in 1967 are pure beauty. I would say the greatest array of Grand prix cars there has ever been and from a sensational season. The colour shot is I believe from what was called the "Formation Grid" which they had back then, the cars would then be instructed by the starter to move forward onto the real grid. Seeing all of those cars and drivers which are iconic and in both instances some of the greatest of all time. I would say that probably the greatest line up of drivers ever to grace F1. It is interesting to see that in the colour shot, someone is missing on the formation grid. That being Jacky Ickx in Ken Tyrrell's F2 Matra MS5 Cosworth FVA, where is he I ask? That year and the one before a race was run at the same time for F2 cars, but the organisers would not let the F2 cars take up what would have been their grid p[lace according to qualifying lap times, so the F2 cars had to make up their place at the rear. Ickx would have been unbelievably on the front row due to his sensational lap time. He is no where to be seen and surprisingly Hubert Hahne in a Lola BMW (the white car) is in amongst the F1 cars which he should not be, maybe he took up his correct place after moving up to the real grid. John Charles, I believe Jacky Ickx is right next to Jackie Oliver's second fastest F2 Lotus and just out of the frame.
He is indeed Carl, well thought out indeed. In the attached link to DSJ's race report from the Motorsport Archive there is an excellent colour photo of the cars lighting up their rear tyres after the start and you can just see Jacky Ickx's helmet behind Chris Irwins BRM H16 and to the left of Jackie Oliver as you correctly mention. Incidentally I was incorrect about Hubert Hahne as his car was intact a F2 car fitted with a 2 litre BMW motor which the organisers allowed into the race to add some local German interest. www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/september-1967/14/german-grand-prix-5 |
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Post by chrisb on Nov 1, 2020 10:50:57 GMT
At one show I got up close and personal to the 1967 Brabham F1 car, and I had to bear in mind this was considered one of the safer cars - it did look great, functional is perhaps the best description but I just kept thinking - there is no protection whatsoever, then I remembered I ride a motorbike - but at the speeds they were going around that masterpiece of engineering must have been so exhilarating - incredible experience, if I can find those photos of the Brabham I will post them, they really were so special
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but there's just so much to see on the picture and indeed such a beautiful cars. Wonderful.
