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Post by mikael on Sept 6, 2020 15:26:58 GMT
Wauw!!
Tempted to say, "F1 is alive and well, after all ...". The second half, what a race! Edge-of-the-seat stuff, from flag (or lights out) to flag.
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Post by charleselan on Sept 6, 2020 17:29:08 GMT
Now that is what Formula One racing should be like; I did say earlier that we needed a "Schlesser moment" we did not get a similar incident but what we did get brought about a similar conclusion  . It was very hard to know who to support towards the end as I wanted both Pierre and Carlos to win, but in the end it was a fabulous result for Pierre Gasly and very well deserved after everything he went through last year. His turn around this season has been spectacular, with some stunning drives. Viewing the S*YF1 coverage it was stupefying to listen to Croft and Martin Brundle urging the need for the reverse grid race to bring more of this type of action. It seems to escape them both that this falsifying of the races is not the way forward, all we need is an evening up of the grid. It was also mentioned early in the transmission that MB spend about £330 million per season on this F1 program of theirs, absolutely outrageous. I will also state here and now that if Lewis Hamilton wishes to gain all the credits of being an all time great, then he needs to race against these brilliant young drivers on far more equal terms. We will then see just how brilliant the guy is, not just blitzing everyone each weekend with a dominant car and please no more of these faux comments of how hard it is each race from either him or Tonto. What can one say about Ferrari that has not been said already, but this weekend was truly an appalling performance. Sebastian probably cannot wait to end his association after this brake failure, and he probably realises now how lucky he has been in being shown the door. Charles on the other hand is getting even more "Villeneuve" and that accident was so reminiscent of the great little French Canadian in overdriving a "sh*t box" of a car. Where were the big Fizzy Drinks team, totally eclipsed by the little feeder team from Faenza, I bet that was a bit hard to swallow for Max. Also lovely to see Charles come out in his civvies to give Pierre a big hug, that is what sportsmanship and friendship is all about. One would hope that those in F1 would look hard at this race and learn something from it, but somehow I doubt that will happen. |
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2020 17:58:40 GMT
Tempted to say, "F1 is alive and well, after all ...". Yes, this is what you get when you take Mercedes, and Red Bull for that matter, out of the equation. The tempatation to say "all is well" is certainly there but I think this afternoon actually showed what is wrong with F1. The race can only be good when Mercedes has problems. But hey, a great race it was and big congrats to Pierre! Like JC, I wanted both Pierre and Carlos to win but in the end this was the ultimate result. Pierre had such a hard time at Red Bull and then losing his friend Anthoine Hubert, it is so wonderful how he has turned things around. Just fantastic! Carlos had a great weekend, probably the best from his F1 career. McLaren will certainly miss him and Ferrari can count themselve lucky to have such a great driver pairing next year. I hope they give them both the car to show their talent. Also a note for Lance Stroll who has shown again he is no rich men's lucky son (well, he is  ) but he can really drive at the highest level. Again a podium on a high speed track. Hats off to him! A big scare for Charles, that was a big crash but obviously he's ok and in the end this is what gave Pierre the chance to win. Indeed great to see how he was one of the first to congratulate his friend. Can it get any worse for Sebastian? |
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Post by René on Sept 6, 2020 18:13:11 GMT
Oh yes, did you hear Bottas's radio message when he said "I can't race with these engine settings". ? A reality check for Valtteri what it is like to race on equal terms. He obviously forgot what that was like!
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 6, 2020 18:13:42 GMT
Rene and Charles you have just about said it all. So nice to hear La Marseille ringing out again. I had a prickle of tears in my eyes for Gasly and the Alfa Tauro team. Some poignant moments on the podium for PG and some brilliant photography.
Bottas was very disappointing and Max near invisible. So chuffed to see the Macs up there and rather sad to see the end of the Williams family but sadly necessary.
I wonder what else Racing Point borrowed from Merc as since the FIA passed judgement they have pretty much slipped back so maybe they took some bits off in case Renault pursued it more. Lance grabbed the opportunity well but was effectively given a 26 second start with the Red Flag so a bit out of position really.
Tonto and Woolfe still have not committed to next year and neither has Seb. I wonder if there is anything in it?
I see Renault will be called Alpine next year and will be racing in the French national colours of red, white and blue.
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Post by mikael on Sept 6, 2020 21:10:04 GMT
This idea of Marcus Ericsson, of an Indy-style qualification format, might be a good one:
"Reverse championship order and one car at a time. You get one lap each. It would be fun, fair and safe."
It could possibly "shake up the grid" in a "natural" way. If one of the "old hands" get it wrong just one time, there would be no second chance.
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Post by Carl on Sept 6, 2020 22:33:49 GMT
Oh yes, did you hear Bottas's radio message when he said "I can't race with these engine settings". ? A reality check for Valtteri what it is like to race on equal terms. He obviously forgot what that was like! What I wondered is whether his settings were different from all others with Mercedes engines or simply from his teammate? |
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Post by Carl on Sept 6, 2020 23:01:54 GMT
Just as would normally happen on my childhood playgrounds, when the bigger boys and more elaborate toys leave, everything levels off and becomes more fun for the others. I thought Lewis Hamilton's constant complaining was typical. There was no pit-entry signal because none existed, therefore the other signals should be ignored? The final laps were exactly what Grand Prix racing should be, fierce and fair, a close back and forth between two superb drivers after the bigger boys had left. Congratulations to Pierre Gasly for a brilliant drive and well-deserved win after so much tribulation. With Renault's planned name change to Alpine, a historic and performance oriented subsidiary, it may be time for John Charles to trade his Elan for an A110. Vive la France! 
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Post by charleselan on Sept 7, 2020 13:17:34 GMT
Rene and Charles you have just about said it all. So nice to hear La Marseille ringing out again. I had a prickle of tears in my eyes for Gasly and the Alfa Tauro team. Some poignant moments on the podium for PG and some brilliant photography. Bottas was very disappointing and Max near invisible. So chuffed to see the Macs up there and rather sad to see the end of the Williams family but sadly necessary. I wonder what else Racing Point borrowed from Merc as since the FIA passed judgement they have pretty much slipped back so maybe they took some bits off in case Renault pursued it more. Lance grabbed the opportunity well but was effectively given a 26 second start with the Red Flag so a bit out of position really. Tonto and Woolfe still have not committed to next year and neither has Seb. I wonder if there is anything in it? I see Renault will be called Alpine next year and will be racing in the French national colours of red, white and blue. Yes Rob, there was some truly beautiful imagery during the podium ceremony, especially afterwards when young Pierre was sat in stunned amazement amidst all of the ticker tape, truly; truly memorable. If ever a lad deserved a race win it was he, although I really felt sorry for Carlos who had driven brilliantly all weekend in the McLaren, and the way he nailed Bottas at the start. I am beginning to think that Carlos Sainz is becoming the modern era Chris Amon as h has more than his fair share of misfortune, and look where he is going next season  . I am no admirer of Lance Stroll but he did drive a good race, however I think his lack of natural ability let him down when he could well have won the race himself. One thought that I have at the moment concerns the Fizzy Drink team, and here is my advice to them. Firstly sign Sebastian on a one year contract for next season with an option clause for a further year that favours both him and the team. Then put Alex Albon back in the Alpha Touro team alongside Pierre Gasly; Alex was brought on too quickly and needs to rebuild just like Pierre has done. I wouldn't wish to see Pierre return to the main team, he needs to build on this season and then move on to another team as his stock will continue to rise now. Sebastian would be ideal if he can regain his old form, he has enough in his locker to really push Verstappen and could well get the team sorted out with its development. |
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 7, 2020 17:11:51 GMT
Charles that is a most sensible suggestion indeed re Seb, Red Bull, Alex Albon et al. It would benefit everyone except for Danny K of course but then he has had his chances and Alex Albon is a better long term prospect.
I don't know why LH is having a go at Alex, seems unbecoming to me, it's none of his business really. Adrian Newey and Seb worked well together before and as talented as Max is I don't think he has the same car sorting experience with Adrian Newey that Seb has. The Red Bull reminds me a bit of the Tyrrell 006. It was a race winning car in the hands of JYS and Francois Cevert but was too twitchy and on edge for the inexperience of Depialler and Scheckter hence the 007 which was an easier car to drive.
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Post by Carl on Sept 7, 2020 17:36:09 GMT
Charles that is a most sensible suggestion indeed re Seb, Red Bull, Alex Albon et al. It would benefit everyone except for Danny K of course but then he has had his chances and Alex Albon is a better long term prospect. I don't know why LH is having a go at Alex, seems unbecoming to me, it's none of his business really. Adrian Newey and Seb worked well together before and as talented as Max is I don't think he has the same car sorting experience with Adrian Newey that Seb has. The Red Bull reminds me a bit of the Tyrrell 006. It was a race winning car in the hands of JYS and Francois Cevert but was too twitchy and on edge for the inexperience of Depialler and Scheckter hence the 007 which was an easier car to drive. Lewis Hamilton's infantile ego drives him to blame anyone (Albon at Turn 4 in Austria) or anything (nonexistent pit entry signal) rather than accept blame. It can't be easy to be anal-retentive and flawless |
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Post by charleselan on Sept 8, 2020 11:05:02 GMT
That is an interesting and excellent comparison Rob. It would appear that the RB car is very sensitive and twitchy to drive, as was the Tyrrell 006. I think the RB is as a result of poor information coming from the wind tunnel, whereas the Tyrrell was by design.
I would tend to agree that maybe Max isn't the ideal development driver, if such a thing exists today, he is probably too instinctive. For me Sebastian Vettel would be an ideal choice at RB, as you mention again Rob, he worked very well with Newey and when he has the car under him he is blisteringly quick. That alone would be enough to shake up Max, but I fear that the Fizzy Drink boys (Marko & Horner) don't want to see Max challenged.
There is a bit of a spat brewing between MB (mainly Tonto & Lewis) and Fizzy Drink (Horner specifically), all handbags at dawn stuff. Both sides are lead by loud mouths who spend more time indulging in petty niggling and sticking their noses in others business. I was disgusted at Wolff's comments about Ferrari which may have held some truths, but as they say be careful in throwing stones when there are windows around. I would say that Lewis Hamilton's jibes were just additional inflammation to the story.
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 8, 2020 12:12:23 GMT
I think Tonto is on his way out but doesn't want to admit it.
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Post by charleselan on Sept 9, 2020 14:50:29 GMT
I think Tonto is on his way out but doesn't want to admit it. I saw a headline last night that had Tonto denying a possible move to Ferrari. I wonder if all is well at Mercedes Benz at present. Apparently quite a few people have been poached by rival teams over the past year and of course the big resignation was Andy Cowell. As the saying goes "All good things come to an end". |
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 10, 2020 8:13:31 GMT
Some statistics that may interest you guys. MotorSport magazine had four separate articles covering the Italian GP, a preview, qualifying report, race report and race analysis. A total of 33 comments was made on those four articles. RoRT had 29 comments on the same GP. Maybe the watchmakers should be advertising their wares here.
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