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Post by chrisb on Nov 15, 2017 21:24:54 GMT
i do think the other part of the problem with Michael, was that he expected to be quick straight away - after all most of his peers who had tested were, people like Rick Mears, little Al etc, and when he sat in this complex piece of kit with a ruthless operator in the next car and way out of his comfort zone - he was getting advice and earache from all sides, and then linked with all else mentioned it was such a struggle, but the crying shame for me is that he did finish 3rd in his last race, must admit having been a great fan of Indycars I really wanted him to succeed - ce la vie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 21:41:00 GMT
Lucio, wonderful prints and photo's does remind me of teh chap whose name is escaping e who used to do these detailed drawings for Autosport Tony Matthews, Chris:  This is Bruno Betti's:  The one in my previous post was by Paolo D'Alessio. |
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Post by Carl on Nov 15, 2017 21:45:24 GMT
This is Gunnar in the 1977 Japanese GP, with the sponsor's local brand colours. And talking about photogenic seventies cars! I love the Gitanes livery, just beautiful.  So do I. When I smoked, I would occasionally give my Camel straights a few days off and enjoy (also non-filter) Gitanes. The woman in silhouette was wonderfully seductive! |
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Post by René on Nov 15, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
And talking about photogenic seventies cars! I love the Gitanes livery, just beautiful. So do I. When I smoked, I would occasionally give my Camel straights a few days off and enjoy (also non-filter) Gitanes. The woman in silhouette was wonderfully seductive! Ooh yeah, non-filter Gitanes cigarettes! I remember my visit to the 1988 French Grand Prix at Paul Ricard with a good friend. Baking hot weather at the French rivièra, a bottle of Ricard and Gitanes faggies.... those were the days! Still happy I quit smoking many years ago though...  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 22:09:28 GMT
I have French relatives - first cousins - in Lille, and when I used to go there my favourites were the Gauloises Caporal, non filter, they left me breathless - literally - so strong they were. Very happy too to have ditched the habit.
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Post by Carl on Nov 15, 2017 23:58:44 GMT
This is Gunnar in the 1977 Japanese GP, with the sponsor's local brand colours. Lucio, A dark red Lotus 78! I always liked Gunnar Nielsen and witnessed a poignant moment at Long Beach that same year. My friend and I had maneuvered close to and then within the restricted area adjacent to pit lane along Ocean Boulevard and, because an American was a serious contender and the Lotus 78 was so wonderfully advanced, we gravitated toward Lotus. It was fascinating to listen as Nielsen was talking with Colin Chapman. Suddenly, Mario Andretti quietly approached from behind on one of those ubiquitous scooters and gently tweaked Nielsen's ear as he rode past. There was real affection from the veteran for the youngster and it was very cool to see. Cheers, Carl |
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Post by Carl on Nov 16, 2017 0:08:06 GMT
I have French relatives - first cousins - in Lille, and when I used to go there my favourites were the Gauloises Caporal, non filter, they left me breathless - literally - so strong they were. Very happy too to have ditched the habit. Yes, I also enjoyed Gauloises, probably the strongest cigarette I ever smoked. I don't remember whether the ones commonly available in Los Angeles were the Caporal, but they were straights and strong and also somewhat of a status symbol. Like you two, I am glad I quit many years ago. It's funny, but whenever I see a pack of Camel regulars (non-filter), it's like running into a somewhat disreputable old friend. |
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Post by mikael on Nov 16, 2017 2:02:12 GMT
Apropos of Gitanes - and the "Gitanes lady": the air-intake on the 1976 Ligier JS5 ("teapot") -- that was (almost) a piece of art! I often wondered if those large air-intakes that were used up to - and with - the 1976 season had a real effect on the engine performance (power), in other words, if the power dropped a bit when these high air-intakes were banned for the 1977 season? (Some teams, like Tyrrell, with the P34, ran mostly without air-intake at all in '76, so the effect might not have been that large.) The many different solutions for height-limited air-intakes in '77 were interesting. Some solutions turned out to be very similar, like those of Ferrari and Ligier - and those of Lotus and Shadow. But in general, a large variety of solutions were displayed, even for similar (e.g. flat 12) or identical (Cosworth DFV) engines. It was fascinating ... (Photo from US GP West, Long Beach, 1976.)  |
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Post by Carl on Nov 16, 2017 3:56:42 GMT
Mikael, Nice! I'm quite sure that's where they turn from the very steep Pine Avenue onto the start/finish straight along Ocean Boulevard. The Ligier was one of my favorite F1 cars because of the V12 engine, the overall beauty of design and livery, especially la belle femme, and Jacques Laffite. As you write, the Ligier was a work of art. Here is an earlier, more placid view of the same street. Laffite is turning right at the intersection. Cheers, Carl Attachment Deleted |
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2017 10:19:36 GMT
they left me breathless - literally Ha ha, I remember that feeling!   |
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2017 10:41:03 GMT
Apropos of Gitanes - and the "Gitanes lady": the air-intake on the 1976 Ligier JS5 ("teapot") -- that was (almost) a piece of art! I often wondered if those large air-intakes that were used up to - and with - the 1976 season had a real effect on the engine performance (power), in other words, if the power dropped a bit when these high air-intakes were banned for the 1977 season? (Some teams, like Tyrrell, with the P34, ran mostly without air-intake at all in '76, so the effect might not have been that large.) The many different solutions for height-limited air-intakes in '77 were interesting. Some solutions turned out to be very similar, like those of Ferrari and Ligier - and those of Lotus and Shadow. But in general, a large variety of solutions were displayed, even for similar (e.g. flat 12) or identical (Cosworth DFV) engines. It was fascinating ... Fantastic picture! No way you could mistake that for another car! But the teapot did look a tiny little bit out of proportion if you ask me... The high air intakes were actually banned at the beginning of the 1976 season. At the first three races (Brazil, South Africa and US West) the cars still had the high air boxes but in Spain, the start of the European season, they were banned and all the cars had new bodywork (or just removed the intake). The different solutions were fascinating indeed but in general you could say the solution was to split the intake in two. I always loved the initial Brabham solution! How extravagant those cars were back then...  |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 16, 2017 11:49:02 GMT
I don't think the Ligier JS5 ever looked as good with the lower air box, although somewhat monsterous the big high box had a certain charm and appeal. A really good car with that truly glorious Matra V12 power unit, and the very fine M. Laffite fit at the wheel.
The diversity in design at that time was wonderful to behold, it was so easy to identify each car and could have been done even if they had been all the same colour.
JC
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Post by mikael on Nov 16, 2017 13:34:29 GMT
I'm quite sure that's where they turn from the very steep Pine Avenue onto the start/finish straight along Ocean Boulevard.
Thank you Carl - very interesting to see the actual location. The sound must have been amazing (wonderful!) there, in between the buildings!
Kind regards Mikael
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 14:00:44 GMT
This is a good summary of the 78.
A couple of relative "flourishes" from Ron, if I may. Radiators on the side-pods originating from the WWII Mosquito. Well, I suppose they may also say that Herd copied the Spitfire on the March 711. One has to look at what Forghieri had been doing with the B3 and then the T series. And I believe the McLaren M26 was the first with full honeycomb panels chassis.
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Post by Carl on Nov 16, 2017 18:49:03 GMT
I'm quite sure that's where they turn from the very steep Pine Avenue onto the start/finish straight along Ocean Boulevard.
Thank you Carl - very interesting to see the actual location. The sound must have been amazing (wonderful!) there, in between the buildings!
Kind regards Mikael
You're absolutely right about the sound. The echoes, especially from the 12 cylinder Matra and Ferrari, were wonderful, almost like a multi-track recording studio gone mad! Cheers, Carl |
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