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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 12:00:32 GMT
Mikael, I like jazz too, have a LOT of records, and Miles Davis - Kind of Blue, Porgy and Bess, Sketches of Spain, Tutu, Ascenseur pour l'echafaud, the whole lot really.
I saw Miles the same year as you, November 1987 at the Paleur in Rome. I booked tickets in second row, he was just above me, quite short of stature, could see his tongue going around the trumpet mouthpiece all the time, sometimes he spat, fortunately away from the front of the stage or he would have spat on my head! He never said a word the whole night.
I was quite impressed by the bassist Darryl Jones, who at the time was also in Sting's band, his bass was the best thing of the evening for me.
Few months earlier, June 1987, at the same venue but sitting in the uppermost ring, far away from the stage, I went to see Peter Gabriel on his So tour. That was an amazing experience. I mean, I have been a fan of Genesis until The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - not after! - for as long as I can remember and then of his whole solo repertoire.
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Post by mikael on Apr 11, 2018 13:21:53 GMT
Thank you Lucio; it's timeless music; not only his 'classical' jazz of the 50's and 60's but also his 'modern' jazz of the 80's. |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 12, 2018 5:02:40 GMT
Miles is my 'go-to' music on a balmy evening - sitting on my balcony with a cool beer, surveying the world and chilling
did you see the Don Cheadle film?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 9:37:54 GMT
Thank you Lucio; it's timeless music; not only his 'classical' jazz of the 50's and 60's but also his 'modern' jazz of the 80's. The Miles Davis we saw in 1987 was the very last incarnation, the one with rockstar looks (in Rome he had a perm hairstyle, dressed like a popstar out of X-Factor), guest star in Miami Vice, playing tunes of Cyndy Lauper and Michael Jackson, but unfortunately a pale shadow of his old self, although Tutu wasn’t bad at all.
He has been a truly great musician, he spanned almost 50 years of music, from bebop in the ‘40s to pop in the ‘80s. My favourite era remains from the mid-Fifties to the mid-Sixties, until My Funny Valentine, with preference to Kind of Blue (absolute masterpiece) and the Gil Evans-produced works – Sketches of Spain, Porgy and Bess.
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Post by René on Apr 12, 2018 20:03:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 19:35:44 GMT
Luigi Chinetti Motors, 11th Ave. & 55th St., Manhattan, 1960  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 21:25:07 GMT
Reading one of the columns Franco Gozzi (Enzo Ferrari right hand man) wrote for Autosprint, reminiscing about the past in the Scuderia. This one was published in 2004 (Gozzi passed away in 2013) and relates the first time he went with the team to the South African GP, in 1968. For eight years I went to the races with camouflaged tasks, according to the circumstances: observer with Romolo Tavoni, special envoy with Eugenio Dragoni, adjoint assistant with Franco Lini. [He was the famed Enzo Ferrari's ears and eyes on the tracks, the guy who phoned back during proceedings and then reported to the Boss on return to the base  ] Tuesday 26 December 1967. A bit of snow, five hours train Modena-Rome. At the Rome station they (Gozzi, Forghieri, Giulio Borsari, six mechanics, a Magneti Marelli man and Andrea de Adamich) meet by chance Cesare Perdisa (ex GP driver): "Where are you going? Johannesburg? I come with you guys. It's snowing in Bologna, better to go to Africa..." Big dinner with fish food in Ostia (near Fiumicino airport), then midnight flight to Joburg via Athens and Entebbe. Wednesday 27. Received at the airport by the local Ferrari distributor, Mr Scheimann. Dinner at the Langham, posh restaurant in the city centre where Gozzi and Forghieri are reprimanded by Schiemann because "only negroes and misfits order lobster"  Tomorrow are expected Ickx from Bruxelles and Amon from NZ. Thursday 28. Tested only with De Adamich, as Ickx arrived too late and Amon is blocked in Manila airport due to industrial action. Friday 29. Second practice, Clark dominates, our drivers struggle. Amon wants a raise on his Firestone contract, I set up a dinner with Bob Martin at the Langham. Saturday 30. Last day of practice, only De Adamich does a good lap, helped by Amon who has a rattling engine. Forghieri decides not to touch De Adamich’ car, the only one working properly, and to switch engines between Amon and Ickx. Mamma mia, who’s going to tell Ickx now. Ferrari growls on the phone that he is not happy.  Sunday 31. Whole day in the garage to change the engines – eight hours each, total 16 hours work – with Ickx furious who screams “ first and last race!”. New Year ’s Eve dinner in the garage, with Perdisa who offers champagne and with dive in the pool at midnight. Happy new year. What the hell am I doing here, at the end of the world without my family? Monday 1. The race. Very hot. Clark wins ahead of Hill and Rindt. De Adamich against a guardrail due to oil on track, Ickx broken engine, Amon flat tyre and oil top up, a tired fourth place. Scarfiotti at the hospital for scalding due to hot water leak in the cockpit. With Forghieri and Perdisa at a pool party organized by Mike Hailwood in his property at Fontainebleau - it’s not clear whether he prefers more the motorbikes or the beautiful girls.  Tuesday 2. Visited Scarfiotti at the hospital, then relax at the Kyalami Ranch by the poolside. Perdisa does the show. Drivers missing. Wednesday 3. Bank, cash and payments. Kruger Park tour. Sent back cars and equipment. Cloudburst over Entebbe, the captain deviates to Nairobi, but it’s perturbed everywhere and there is lots of turbulence. Mechanic Seligardi rebukes a colleague: “Do not curse when we are up here!”  On the flight, laughs and drinks with us also Jochen Rindt. Dawn of 4th January. The captain indicates the lights of Catanzaro [Southern Italy], in twenty minutes Rome, bus to the train station, train for Modena, Perdisa says goodbye at Bologna. Cold, tired. End of the adventure. When I get home, Ferrari has already called twice, tomorrow morning meeting at Maranello.  |
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Post by Carl on Apr 22, 2018 23:14:19 GMT
Lucio, Very interesting details of the itinerary. I wonder if every Scuderia Ferrari trip was so eventful and whether il Commendatore normally grumbled on the phone...  And I'd love to know what car had been aboard the rosso corsa trailer just outside Luigi Chinetti Motors in the early 1960s, judging by the parked cars. Cheers, Carl |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 8:35:00 GMT
Carl, I suspect if Ferrari didn't grumble on the phone, he wouldn't have got anywhere by just sitting at home waiting for news. He kept everybody on a short leash.  Cheers, Lucio PS: on an unrelated matter, in one of my very few forays in the Motor Sport threads I caught a good discussion about Ricciardo, Ferrari etc between Ray and "Carl". I followed it also because I thought it was you, but then I started to realize probably it wasn't actually you. Can you please dispel the slight mystery? Ta. |
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Post by mikael on Apr 24, 2018 13:04:23 GMT
Luigi Chinetti Motors, 11th Ave. & 55th St., Manhattan, 1960
Impressive trailer (on the corner) - in the proper colour!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 13:21:23 GMT
And I'd love to know what car had been aboard the rosso corsa trailer just outside Luigi Chinetti Motors in the early 1960s, judging by the parked cars. Cheers, Carl
Must have been a Superamerica or a 250. Don't have my Ferrari Catalogue Raisonne 1946-81 with me to see what else could have been around at the time.
I wonder what was the perception at that time of Ferrari as an exclusive marque, in the US or elsewhere. Quality-wise they must have been quite dodgy, only in more "modern" times, say after Montezemolo took over as president, they positively raised the bar.
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Post by René on Apr 24, 2018 15:16:12 GMT
And I'd love to know what car had been aboard the rosso corsa trailer just outside Luigi Chinetti Motors in the early 1960s, judging by the parked cars. Cheers, Carl
Must have been a Superamerica or a 250. Don't have my Ferrari Catalogue Raisonne 1946-81 with me to see what else could have been around at the time.
I wonder what was the perception at that time of Ferrari as an exclusive marque, in the US or elsewhere. Quality-wise they must have been quite dodgy, only in more "modern" times, say after Montezemolo took over as president, they positively raised the bar.
I believe the perception of Ferrari at the time was certainly one of exclusivity. The brand was already popular with moviestars, royalty and other celebs. And I do think quality wasn't that bad either in the 60's. The sport car division was a bit lost though in the 80's (think Mondial) but got their act back together in the mid 90's. Harvey Postlethwaithe was given a Mondial as a company car. They say he was rather shocked at how bad that car was! |
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Post by Carl on Apr 24, 2018 15:39:19 GMT
And I'd love to know what car had been aboard the rosso corsa trailer just outside Luigi Chinetti Motors in the early 1960s, judging by the parked cars. Cheers, Carl
Must have been a Superamerica or a 250. Don't have my Ferrari Catalogue Raisonne 1946-81 with me to see what else could have been around at the time.
I wonder what was the perception at that time of Ferrari as an exclusive marque, in the US or elsewhere. Quality-wise they must have been quite dodgy, only in more "modern" times, say after Montezemolo took over as president, they positively raised the bar.
Americans were entranced by the beauty, the exclusivity, and the sound of a V-12. For sports-car enthusiasts, a Ferrari was a glimpse of Mount Olympus. |
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Post by Carl on Apr 24, 2018 15:51:49 GMT
Carl, I suspect if Ferrari didn't grumble on the phone, he wouldn't have got anywhere by just sitting at home waiting for news. He kept everybody on a short leash. Cheers, Lucio PS: on an unrelated matter, in one of my very few forays in the Motor Sport threads I caught a good discussion about Ricciardo, Ferrari etc between Ray and "Carl". I followed it also because I thought it was you, but then I started to realize probably it wasn't actually you. Can you please dispel the slight mystery? Ta. Lucio, Ray and I were always on good terms and I don't recall seeing another Carl, so it's likely you caught one of our discussions, although it's one I don't specifically recall. If your foray was recent, it probably was someone else. I changed my username a month or so ago (it's now Dyncas) and doing so is always retroactive. It may be someone wanting to bask in my reflected glory... Cheers, Carl |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 16:51:44 GMT
Cool. It was someone else, as eventually I had suspected.
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Tomorrow are expected Ickx from Bruxelles and Amon from NZ.
On the flight, laughs and drinks with us also Jochen Rindt.
