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Post by René on Nov 14, 2019 16:35:13 GMT
Interlagos, between the lakes, is not anymore the long track it used to be in the seventies but still one of the best classic tracks on the calendar with an always passionate crowd. No Brazilian driver on the grid unfortunately but the Brazilians lover their racing anyway! The track is short but has power sensitive parts and twisty parts so the signs are it could be a close battle between the top three teams. Leclerc will take a grid penalty for a new engine but the big question is of course; how competitive will Ferrari be this weekend after the big slump in Austin?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 17:21:41 GMT
I'm afraid i still think Ferrari will contrive to lose again. Their pace is in qualifying not in the races. SO whilst i think its possible Vettel will lead early on, i'm leaning towards Bottas again. Hamilton's title is won and his end of season lethargy can quite possibly continue.
My enduring Interlagos memory
Sorely tempted to recreate that moment with my Protar 312T5 and Heller RE10 and JS11s
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Post by chrisb on Nov 15, 2019 7:52:28 GMT
aren't they just fantastic photos? that incredible start of Gilles, sadly all that came of that season,
I understand Charles has a penalty, otherwise I would have seen him doing very well, he may well still do so, but with the shackles off both Lewis and Bottas and no Wolf - we could have some fun, but as the world seems to be constantly raining, and admittedly I have not looked at the weather forecast in Brazil, but I think it will rain and the Hulk will come through and win, well that would be a fitting end to an unfulfilled career as an F1 driver, it is a good circuit and that last swooping curve before the pit 'straight' probably not a great interest to today's cars but that is a corner i would thoroughly enjoy on both car and bike
and would constantly push the limits for
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2019 12:22:53 GMT
I'm afraid i still think Ferrari will contrive to lose again. Their pace is in qualifying not in the races. SO whilst i think its possible Vettel will lead early on, i'm leaning towards Bottas again. Hamilton's title is won and his end of season lethargy can quite possibly continue. My enduring Interlagos memory
Sorely tempted to recreate that moment with my Protar 312T5 and Heller RE10 and JS11s
Iconic pictures of an iconic moment in F1 history. Just look at the difference in design of those three cars. How wonderful those days were. |
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Post by René on Nov 16, 2019 12:27:37 GMT
Ferrari looking good in free practice. Their straight line speed advantage is back so surprise, surprise... Binotto was telling the truth. I hope they shut up the competition this weekend.
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Post by Carl on Nov 17, 2019 0:30:09 GMT
Six within half a second of pole bodes well for tomorrow. Let's hope for a great race on one of the great race tracks...
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Post by mikael on Nov 17, 2019 9:27:29 GMT
I continue to be "astonished" by how the F1 drivers run over the curbs in these years. Having the photo of Senna (in 1991) fresh in mind, at that time they ran just to those curbs and no further. Understandable - they are made in order to not be run over. But now they do just that - consequently.
Senna in 1991, neatly lined up exactly to the edge of the curb.
Norris at Interlagos 2019 (from Motor Sport Magazine). This part of the track is there to be used, right!
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Post by René on Nov 17, 2019 11:07:32 GMT
I guess it's a combination of factors that led to this style of driving. The way the curbs are made, probably stronger cars and the numerous tarmac runoffs all contributed to this driving over the edge approach.
We can blame the drivers but they will always try to find the limit. Senna would have done the same had he raced now. The problem is the tracks. The curbs should not be suitable for going full speed and get rid of all the run offs.
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Post by chrisb on Nov 17, 2019 16:40:55 GMT
I totally agree Rene, beautiful photos by the way Mikael and Rene, the drivers will always push pass the limit when they can get away with it but it is rather ugly and about time there were more consequences to this style of driving
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:03:09 GMT
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Post by mikael on Nov 18, 2019 1:13:19 GMT
I only have had the opportunity to see the Highlights; but apparently, there was as much drama as one could ever wish for. Seeing first the headlines, "Verstappen wins wild Brazilian race", etc., I felt sure that it must have been a wet race. It wasn't, but even if it had been, it could hardly have been any more dramatic. A pity with the Hamilton-Albon incident; but still, a great result for Honda in the end. (And yet another victory for Honda if Verstappen manages to keep his present 3rd place in the 2019 standings. That's a remaining "drama", for the last upcoming race of the season.)
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Post by Carl on Nov 18, 2019 2:33:13 GMT
Will Formula One rename the Safety Car the Red Mist Express? The last SC period seemed contrived for that purpose.
In a similar vein to his lengthy confusion of Alexander Albon for Max Verstappen during the race, David Croft was accused of improper advances at his hotel by two women he'd apparently mistaken for his wife, although she was at home in England*
I normally turn off the television soon after the checkered flag, but this time watched interviews to hear what some would say. In the immediate aftermath of the accident, Sebastian Vettel was livid, swearing (I think in German), kicking his left front tyre once out of the car, then kicking the air, seemingly convinced he'd done no wrong. But similar to the coming together with Mark Webber in Turkey, the consensus is that he had. The result of the contact approaching Turn 4 should have been slight, not catastrophic, but he moved across too soon. By the time he was interviewed, he seemed to know.
The fastest driver won the race and that's always good. There were several great battles for position and Pierre Gasly was absolutely brilliant in defense of second place through the final turns. Misfortune has hounded Charles Leclerc; with normal luck he could dominate next season. Destiny also was cruel to Albon and both women accosted by David Croft*
* allegations may or may not be accurate
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Post by mikael on Nov 18, 2019 9:43:01 GMT
Just some (un-)interesting stats: Carlos Sainz finally got himself off the list "Most career starts without a podium" -- only to land at first spot in the list "Most races before scoring a podium finish" ... Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_driver_recordsMost career starts without a podium Driver / Seasons / Entries / Starts / Best result 1 Germany Nico Hülkenberg 2010, 2012–2019 178 176 4th 2 Germany Adrian Sutil 2007–2011, 2013–2014 128 128 4th 3 Italy Pierluigi Martini 1984–1985, 1988–1995 124 119 4th 4 France Philippe Alliot 1984–1990, 1993–1994 116 109 5th 5 Brazil Pedro Diniz 1995–2000 99 98 5th 6 Sweden Marcus Ericsson 2014–2018 97 97 8th 7 Japan Ukyo Katayama 1992–1997 97 95 5th 8 United Kingdom Jonathan Palmer 1983–1989 88 83 4th 9 Switzerland Marc Surer 1979–1986 88 82 4th 10 Italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 2005–2007, 2009–2011 81 80 6th Most races before scoring a podium finish Entry / Driver / Race 1 101st race Spain Carlos Sainz Jr. 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix 2 91st race United Kingdom Martin Brundle 1992 French Grand Prix 3 73rd race Finland Mika Salo 1999 German Grand Prix 4 68th race United Kingdom Jenson Button 2004 Malaysian Grand Prix 5 67th race United Kingdom Johnny Herbert 1995 Spanish Grand Prix Spain Pedro de la Rosa 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix 7 60th race Italy Gianni Morbidelli 1995 Australian Grand Prix 8 57th race Brazil Felipe Massa 2006 European Grand Prix 9 56th race Australia Mark Webber 2005 Monaco Grand Prix 10 55th race Japan Kamui Kobayashi 2012 Japanese Grand Prix Australia Daniel Ricciardo 2014 Spanish Grand Prix |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 18, 2019 12:29:17 GMT
Somewhat surprisingly that was quite an interesting and enjoyable race, but one can always expect that when racing on a "proper" circuit. It was an excellent drive by Max who was at his best and in a car that really seemed well suited to Interlagos both in terms of chassis and the very impressive Honda power units. Max certainly dealt with Lewis Hamilton in exceptional fashion, the only down side being that we were not able to see the look on Tonto's face during all this action.
Other impressive facts were Charles Leclerc's early race performance which although aided at times by the dreadful "DRS" was a stunning performance all the while being roundly cheered by the large Brazilian crowd, this was also true of another outstanding drive by Carlos Sainz Jnr and duly rewarded with a third place after Hamilton's penalty. Also there can be little doubt that many felt a great deal of satisfaction with the drive of Pierre Gasly, what a turn around for the young man.
Very disappointed for Alexander Albon who deserved much better after another fine drive on his debut at Interlagos, but his post race honesty is so refreshing, a trait shared by many of these new young guys. However it was also good to hear Lewis admit his own error a trait that maybe another multiple world champion could take on board.
With regard to the latter above one is left aghast at the Ferrari's coming together in such a disastrous manner. There can be little doubt where the blame for that squarely lies, and for the team manager to apparently state that it was both at fault, or words to that effect, is beyond parody. I have mentioned before that I very much like Sebastian Vettel as a person, but unfortunately this isn't reflected when he gets into a race car. The move that took both himself and the innocent Charles Leclerc out was crass stupidity and as Carl points out above so reminiscent of the one he pulled on Mark Webber in Turkey some years ago.
This will not go down well with some but to my way of thinking Ferrari should terminate the contract with Sebastian, Leclerc is not only the future but now the present and he needs to be the team leader. If that teams management had any sense and a will to succeed then what is needed alongside Charles is a strong sound "number two" who can support and when necessary pick up loads of points and even wins; either Nico Hulkenburg or Kevin Magnussen come to mind. Kevin I think would be ideal, he is tough and uncompromising and has race speed, as well as being a brilliant interviewee, a sort of modern day Regga.
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Post by robmarsh on Nov 18, 2019 19:30:00 GMT
I think once again Ferrari's strategy was weak. After the first safety car Charles Leclerc was clearly better placed to profit from the safety car incident as he had brand new soft tyres whereas Seb had mediums some laps old.. If Seb had been moved over Charles would have had a decent stab at a possible second. Instead Ferrari now decided it was time to let the drivers race each other and thus ended up in the boondocks with two broken cars. They really do make some strange decisions and deserve the results they get.
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