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Post by Carl on Sept 2, 2019 16:34:31 GMT
Beautiful photos Rene, as always! The contrast of the #77 Mercedes taken from the side, as svelte and graceful as a shark, and from behind as he exits the last chicane, squat and almost obese, is cool. And I also really like the Williams of Kubica with the sun's glare adding interest while hiding color and detail.
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Post by Carl on Sept 2, 2019 17:02:16 GMT
Which barriers and what type of runoff is safest reminds me of my cynical response to those who told me of the danger of cigarettes: "This is a dangerous world. Choose your own poisons. You may not choose none."
Unforeseen and unintended consequences are often front and center at tragic events. Greg Moore was killed instantly when his Reynard swooped down at extreme speed onto the infield grass at California Speedway because the slight elevation where the grass converged with a service road launched his car and caused it to strike the concrete barrier cockpit first. He had already signed to drive for track owner Roger Penske the following season and the decorative grass areas were soon removed. Sadly, the ideal of safety first can seldom be realized.
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Post by mikael on Sept 3, 2019 4:52:55 GMT
Thank you for sharing the excellent photos, René. Good weather, great result - it must have been a great race to attend!
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Post by René on Sept 3, 2019 7:57:29 GMT
Beautiful photos Rene, as always! The contrast of the #77 Mercedes taken from the side, as svelte and graceful as a shark, and from behind as he exits the last chicane, squat and almost obese, is cool. And I also really like the Williams of Kubica with the sun's glare adding interest while hiding color and detail. Thank you Carl. The Mercedes does look elegant in sideview, I agree. The livery is also very good. The Ferrari red is strange now I’ve seen it for real. It depends how the light falls on the car and which angle you look at it. Sometimes it looks very red and sometimes it’s pale orange. They better bring back the classic pre-Schumacher red. |
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Post by René on Sept 3, 2019 8:01:53 GMT
Thank you for sharing the excellent photos, René. Good weather, great result - it must have been a great race to attend! Thank you Mikael. It was a good race although not as joyful as it could have been given the sad events from saturday. The weather was actually not that good on the sunday. Quite chilly and even some rain in the morning hours. Still, very happy that I witnessed Charles first win. I will remember this weekend. |
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Post by chrisb on Sept 3, 2019 19:57:14 GMT
thank you for those brilliant photos Rene, they really are excellent, despite my dislike of these behemoths - they are technically fascinating, and Spa is a circuit I would love to return to one day,
it is good that Charles won, he really ouzes class and dignity, suspect this young man will go onto greatness, Mark Hughes makes some sense of the weekend and does put some of it into perspective, do really respect both Charles and Mark, and from reading Mark's report Seb, according to our friend Ray Seb was playing the team card and assisted Charles's victory, I just think it is a great thing that Ferrari have finally broken this year's duck and wonder how they will go this weekend,
I heard that Martin Brundle feels Verstapen was to blame for the accident - wonder what others feel?
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Post by Carl on Sept 3, 2019 21:37:02 GMT
I agree with Martin Brundle. Max Verstappen tried too hard to gain places he'd lost after a bad start and embraced his former impudence right into the unsuspecting Kimi Raikkonen. Ferrari finally played fair with its younger driver, a change that may have been hard for Sebastien Vettel to accept and must have been settled within the team sometime earlier to circumvent any chance of Vettel refusing team orders, as he has done in the past. [ "Too bad" ]
Also interesting was the curious exchange between Ray in Toronto and Bill in Sydney about a fashion choice made years ago by Mark Hughes  |
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 4, 2019 7:01:20 GMT
I have been collecting my thoughts after the weekend. My enthusiasm for the Grand Prix was severely dented by the tragedy of Anthoine Hubert's accident. I thought his mother and brother were incredibly brave the next day and my heart went out to both of them and the F1 and F2 circus as a whole. If I felt it so badly here, a few thousand miles away in Johannesburg, sitting on a couch at home, then it must have been many, many times worse for them. I think the humanity and dignity shown by everybody was magnificent. I do think the FIA needs to investigate the benefit of tarmac run off areas. The fact that a driver was capable of doing 160 mph whilst not even on the track is not right. I expect changes will be made to that corner.
I am so glad for Charles Leclerc and Ferrari. They were spot on in the way they ran the race. I so wish the shadow of tragedy that surrounds Charles would lift. He was on top form the whole weekend and handled everything with tremendous dignity and respect. My estimation continues to soar and he is now my favourite driver on the grid. I also though Seb handled things very well. I just wish the car would suit him better so he could show his detractors a thing or two. He doesn't deserve the constant brickbats hurled his way.
I thought Lewis was also very good and the humanity and concern he showed for the drivers involved in the accident was more telling about him than any article and interview ever done. I think he is a becoming a true statesman in the sport.
Both of my two favourite English newcomers showed their class once again. Lando drove a great race and was robbed of his best finish by mechanical problems. Alex Albon was really good and showed once again what a talent he is. I like him more and more and he is so humble. It would have been a travesty if he had not been in F1 this year and the fact that Red Bull kicked him off their programme some years back doesn't say much for said program.
Two drivers that I thought acted irresponsibly given the tragedy of the previous day were Verstappen and Perez. I think Max had a bit of brain fade into the first corner. Is Albon putting pressure on him already? However, his continuing to drive the car afterwards with steering that was clearly not working was very dangerous, especially towards that part of the track was just stupid. He nearly collected Kimi again coming out of Eau Rouge. I wonder where those cars might have ended up? I think the Perez move on Albon was just plain dangerous and I think he should have been punished by the stewards. It seems that since Canada the stewards have become very lenient which to me shows the Canadian decision was just stupid.
I saw Ray's and Bill's blossoming bromance on the Motor Sport site, i found it all rather contrived. As you are probably all aware I am not a fan of Ray and find him exceedingly irritating and insincere. I stated my views to him for better or worse and got my post removed. That is enough from me on that subject.
René your pics were really good. What a blessing it must be to be only an hour away from Spa, that is the same distance I am from Kyalami. I was glad to see that you weren't there on the Saturday because that would have been close to where you were on the Friday I think. Those kind of sights never leave your mind.
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Post by René on Sept 4, 2019 11:12:56 GMT
What an excellent post Rob! This sums up the weekend perfectly.
I was also glad I wasn't there on saturday. As you know I experienced that once in 1982 and it's not a good experience.
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Post by chrisb on Sept 4, 2019 20:19:11 GMT
may I also echo Rene's words Rob, what a really heartfelt post that encapsulates so much for so many of us, thank you or is Dankie?
I cannot recollect being at a meeting when there was a fatality, I was at Brands when Johnny Herbert had his bad one and that was pretty awful, but to have been there knowing that one second an individual is focusing on their job in hand and in a blink of an eye everything they hoped for is taken away from them, poignant and tragic and I know I would really struggle with that knowledge
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Post by mikael on Sept 5, 2019 1:49:32 GMT
Seeing the news this morning, I was happy that it is Monza/Italy that is next in line, and not Suzuka/Japan just yet. The southern parts of Japan have received tremendous amounts of rain this summer and now, the bad weather front is apparently moving North - or Northeast. In the news it was told that Yokkaichi at one point last night received 121mm rain within one hour. Yokkaichi is just next to Suzuka - within viewing distance, actually (it can be seen very clearly from the circuit). (Yokkaichi has a population of 300.000, so Suzuka can perhaps be considered as a suburb thereto.)
The text says:
Record-like short-duration torrential rainfall warning Mie Prefecture Yokkaichi City, Yamajo-area 121mm in one hour
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Post by mikael on Sept 5, 2019 11:51:34 GMT
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Post by Carl on Sept 5, 2019 16:30:43 GMT
It may be that a sentimental Mark Webber spoke too soon! |
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