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Post by charleselan on Aug 14, 2019 17:19:22 GMT
I am not sure about after the Lord Mayors show, more like after the Ducati exhibition of man management skills, Miller has signed an extension for another year with Pramac- mmm, a year? that could be interesting, my word talk about pre-empting next year's gossip columns - oh dear and Smithy is racing in M2, wonder if Scott fancies a ride on a spare Honda? Chris, Quite some time ago i mentioned that poor management skills of Ducati, particularly in respect of my young cousin. Three or four years back Scott's grand father told me that Ducati were "looking after" his career and had great plans for him. It all looked good for Scott to eventually become a factory team rider, in fact they wanted him when he ended up back with MarcVDS on that truly awful customer Honda. Marc van der Stratten was a great patron to Scott and he really appreciated that fact. The Pramac years were not good and one has to ask why when one considers the testing speed shown pre season, followed by the intense rivalry with Petrucci. I am still appalled by the two overtakes made by Danillo that rammed Scott off track in that season which resulted in the Italian getting the full factory spec bike and Scott not. Now we have a situation where Ducati are making noises about "promoting" Scott to replace Bautista on the factory WSBK machine in 2020 because they are "so impressed with what he is doing in BSB". If I were managing him, which I should be   , my advice would be to stay in BSB and build a career there like Shane Byrne did. He could set himself up for life in BSB and continue to enjoy himself along with a growing fan base that is plain to see. Shakey did very well for himself financially and attained legendary status, Scott could do the same and he is years younger than Shane was. As Rob points out the piece in MS by Mat Oxley about Ducati management is very good, well written and pulls no punches. Too many riders have been screwed up by the Ducati management over the years, and it needed writing. Jumping to another thread, Ecclescakes appearance in Austria should be no surprise to anyone. Espolita (spelling but who cares) has made it known that he admires the weasel and the way he ran F1; he based his business model on that very origin. |
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Post by Carl on Aug 15, 2019 4:04:04 GMT
Randolph Scott: "It's quiet" John Wayne: "Too quiet. Be on alert for an assault." Randolph Scott: "Who'd assault a Hollywood film set?" John Wayne: "Carmelo Ezpeleta and his band of renegades. He and Runted Bernie hate Hollywood actors because we're good looking and they're so damned ugly." Randolph Scott: "Makes sense. We are superb examples of powerful masculinity, ain't we, Duke?" John Wayne: "Smile when you say that, and say it at a distance... pilgrim."  |
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Post by chrisb on Aug 15, 2019 7:44:54 GMT
Carl, excellent,
and as Coop said, "smile when you say that" in that most wonderful 1929 film the Virginian, there is a wonderful picture of Coop and the Duke walking together outside a hotel,Coop leading....
JC, my puzzlement is that - why? as far as I know there are two main types of management - intimidation and motivation, if you are a person that needs intimidating to be at your best - then what does that say about you? and more importantly your employers
I have always wondered if Ducati were involved in Scott's move to BSB with a view to encourage him to WSB the following year- for several reasons, I am thinking that at the end of next year there will be a few MotoGP rides available and some of those discarded may head to WSB -and Dorna want to re-build WSB up again, maybe - maybe not? but I am not that sure Scott would want to stay in BSB for a long time,
the one thing BE did was make himself and a lot of owners very rich, that is the more likely explanation for his presence - at our expense - again
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Post by charleselan on Aug 15, 2019 19:31:31 GMT
Carl, excellent, and as Coop said, "smile when you say that" in that most wonderful 1929 film the Virginian, there is a wonderful picture of Coop and the Duke walking together outside a hotel,Coop leading.... JC, my puzzlement is that - why? as far as I know there are two main types of management - intimidation and motivation, if you are a person that needs intimidating to be at your best - then what does that say about you? and more importantly your employers I have always wondered if Ducati were involved in Scott's move to BSB with a view to encourage him to WSB the following year- for several reasons, I am thinking that at the end of next year there will be a few MotoGP rides available and some of those discarded may head to WSB -and Dorna want to re-build WSB up again, maybe - maybe not? but I am not that sure Scott would want to stay in BSB for a long time, the one thing BE did was make himself and a lot of owners very rich, that is the more likely explanation for his presence - at our expense - again Chris, Intimidatory management is a failed premise from the outset and is never going to get the best out of an employee. As you also allude, anyone who needs to be motivated to succeed is in the wrong job, especially a racing driver or bike racer. My concern with Scott going to WSBK is the fact that it is a failing championship at present; if it were as it was back in Foggie's day then it would be a no brainer. Obviously with all the talk of Bautista being offered a massive deal by Honda for WSBK then that prized seat on the factory Panagalé R is something that is being talked about. It isn't a forgone conclusion that Scott will win in BSB this year and it would not be good to move on without the title in my opinion. Also in BSB's favour, Scott actually is very happy that he can return home quickly after each meeting to reside in his motorhome which he has parked in his dad'd drive in Quedgley. He did not like the MotoGP Paddock atmosphere and one would think that maybe WSBK might offer something of the same. I am not saying that he should stay put over the next 10 - 15 years in BSB as he is still only 26 years old, but to stabilise himself and career with great success in the UK has a lot going for it. Then maybe move across to WSBK which may actually come alive in the next few years if Honda do get their act together with a new V4 Fireblade replacement. Anyhow I like musing  . |
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Post by chrisb on Aug 15, 2019 21:30:59 GMT
musing is healthy
I appreciate your thoughts John, and totally agree with what you say about intimidation, but then why do so many managers use such a method?
At present I think WSB is in a blind alley, that it cannot escape from, you have the worldwide success of BSB and how exciting is that? and WSB full of electronic gadgetary which does very little to improve the racing, I understand why the likes of Kawasaki want it to stay electronic but is it in the best interests of the series, somehow i don't think so, when Dorna make the rules the same as BSB and other national series - then we will see a return to popularity, the other thing about WSB vs BSB is the price of admission, last time I went to the WSB at Donny it was nearly twice the price of BSB, kinda questions the motivation to go, I do feel that in the UK the BSB show is now starting to eclipse many other series, saloon cars, F1 and possibly MotoGP and there are a couple of great races coming up, Cadwell Park and Oulton Park, they will be so crowded it would be irritating to attend,
With regards to Scott - who I really do feel still has the potential to be a World Champion I do feel that the allure of international success is tempting, I totally agree this year's championship is far from over but he will be starting to ride after this weekend tracks he has now raced at before and that levels a lot of the playing field, so my money is still on him and next year will be extremely interesting as to what he does, so long as he races and wins I am happy
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, my advice would be to stay in BSB and build a career there like Shane Byrne did. He could set himself up for life in BSB and continue to enjoy himself along with a growing fan base that is plain to see. Shakey did very well for himself financially and attained legendary status, Scott could do the same and he is years younger than Shane was.
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