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Post by charleselan on Jul 13, 2019 18:13:53 GMT
Charles wasn't far off was he, although one would have thought it a massive margin listening to Ben Edwards on UK C4 coverage. It was in truth very; very close. Interesting to hear Charles say it was down to MB cranking their engines up. and that he wasn't unhappy. Strange strategy by Ferrari again, I just hope they aren't going to screw up yet again! Max & Pierre Gasly very strong as well which could well play out much closer in race trim; Honda really are getting there. Lando Norris and Alexander Albon simply outstanding performances, as was George Russell. The latter really is an outstanding talent and maybe those writing awful things about Robert Kubica should just step back and accept that he isn't doing too badly, in reality he isn't the driver he once was due to physical limitations and Russell is very; very good. It was interesting to hear Mark Webber's analysis of Sebastian Vettel after practice which was very good indeed. He says that Sebastian is in a difficult place now as he is a family man with two children and this does affect how you approach things, supported by David Coulthard, plus Charles is young with no other thoughts than to blitz everyone. Mark then said that a driver at Sebastian's age and career point will not get any quicker, but at that age you rely on experience and craft, a construct that Seb does not appear to be doing. The Irish Comedian then proffered that he believes that Sebastian will either retire or go to MB, with Lewis Hamilton going to Ferrari, alongside Sebastian at MB will be Max; that will work out well then   . |
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Post by Carl on Jul 13, 2019 22:38:40 GMT
The Irish Comedian then proffered that he believes that Sebastian will either retire or go to MB, with Lewis Hamilton going to Ferrari, alongside Sebastian at MB will be Max; that will work out well then . Who is the Irish comedian?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 3:36:03 GMT
Pfew, that was close! Really thought Charles was going to do it in that last lap but he came 0.079s short! Well, he was on the pace of the Mercs at least so maybe we're in for a good battle tomorrow. Good job by Valtteri to take pole from Lewis at Silverstone. A win here would be a very good result for the Fin. Not only in points but even more from a mental point of view. That would hurt Lewis and a confidence boost for Valtteri. But in the end I do hope Charles will spoil that party! Also good to see Pierre Gasly more on the pace and Norris and Albon in the top ten! All great results. Vettel was a bit underwhelming so far. Hi Rene, you are right, qualifying was really tight. Three cars covered by 0.08sec, that is amazing. Unfortunately still the Mercedes at the front, which gives them a strong strategic advantage in the race. Two Red Bulls ahead of Vettel, as you say, underwhelming , so far at least. Hopefully his race performance will be as strong as it was in Austria. I was happy to see the two Renaults get into Q3, it didn't look likely after Friday, though they remain in the mix with best of the rest rather than catching up on the top three. I'm looking forward to the race, it is a spectactular circuit, even without much overtaking seeing these cars rip around it is impressive. A wee bit of number crunching: This years pole, 0.8sec faster than last year - does the resurfaced track trump the aero changes? The spread from pole to 10th - 1.8sec, 1.5%. Last year it was just over 3sec, 4% - the field is closing up (at last) Russell's Q1 time 1:27:789, 19th fastest, would have been enough for 9th in Q3 last season - Williams have improved, massively, but the rest of the field have improved too. Look back to the start of the hybrid era 2014 pole was a full 10 sec slower, Bernie's 2017, 5 sec a lap faster objective, well and truely met. |
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Post by Carl on Jul 14, 2019 3:57:16 GMT
The Williams FWO7 was a good looking car that to all intent was a better engineered clone of the Lotus 79. The car that Colin Chapman should have made but he was always interested in development and new ideas, not perfecting a concept. I think that i would side with Rob and say my favourite Williams was the FW10, probably in "B" spec'. I have also read the MS feature about the 1965 British GP and it was great to see that they had used much of DSJ's original race report which was wonderful to read again. It just illustrated the shear genius of Jim Clark to perfection, and as others have mentioned what a season 1965 was for Jim and Lotus. As Chris has mentioned it was disappointing to see the comments after the feature with the now "resident expert" trying to place a damper on the magnitude of Jim's drive. It was also good to read Mark Hughes excellent article on his trip as a spectator to the 1979 British GP, very well written and interesting. Also of note I have just seen a very good piece in todays qualifying broadcast by the Free To View C4 which featured an interview with a now 80 year old Jackie Stewart talking about that stunning 1969 Grand Prix, it was superb. Having some indelible memories of that year and two cents in my pocket, I added both to the MS discussion. |
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 14, 2019 6:35:51 GMT
The Williams FWO7 was a good looking car that to all intent was a better engineered clone of the Lotus 79. The car that Colin Chapman should have made but he was always interested in development and new ideas, not perfecting a concept. I think that i would side with Rob and say my favourite Williams was the FW10, probably in "B" spec'. I have also read the MS feature about the 1965 British GP and it was great to see that they had used much of DSJ's original race report which was wonderful to read again. It just illustrated the shear genius of Jim Clark to perfection, and as others have mentioned what a season 1965 was for Jim and Lotus. As Chris has mentioned it was disappointing to see the comments after the feature with the now "resident expert" trying to place a damper on the magnitude of Jim's drive. It was also good to read Mark Hughes excellent article on his trip as a spectator to the 1979 British GP, very well written and interesting. Also of note I have just seen a very good piece in todays qualifying broadcast by the Free To View C4 which featured an interview with a now 80 year old Jackie Stewart talking about that stunning 1969 Grand Prix, it was superb. Having some indelible memories of that year and two cents in my pocket, I added both to the MS discussion. Excellent Dyncas |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 6:38:39 GMT
Having some indelible memories of that year and two cents in my pocket, I added both to the MS discussion. Seeing Clark race at Riverside! That is some memory to have. From what you said, Clark was clearly a well known figure by that time amongst US motorsports fans at least. Also interesting thoughts about the nature of the relationship between Clark and Chapman. Was Clark too unquestioning of Chapman's designs and Lotus engineering? It does seem that he was prepared to drive any Lotus car, anywhere, anytime. I've heard that in his last year, Clark was becoming more assertive and more challangeing towards Chapman. But when you see the success Clark achieved in his sadly short career, on a performance level that faith wasn't misplaced. I've got Dymocks book, bought at the Jim Clark museum in Duns (the old one), time to re-read it, I think. |
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Post by charleselan on Jul 14, 2019 11:47:41 GMT
The Irish Comedian then proffered that he believes that Sebastian will either retire or go to MB, with Lewis Hamilton going to Ferrari, alongside Sebastian at MB will be Max; that will work out well then . Who is the Irish comedian?
His delusions could have him invited to the oval office for a strategy session with the hollow pompadour. The "Irish Comedian" is none other than Edmund Jordan, who yesterday exceeded himself, not only with his dress sense but his utterances. He even left Coulthard and Webber speechless for a moment with that outburst . Maybe the only thing Jordan could offer the Orange S*** Gibbon (not my term but gladly stolen from another commenter on another news site) was in how to improve on his tanning technique. However i doubt that the hollow pompadour would ever take the advice of others as it does not fit in with narcissistic tendencies. |
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Post by René on Jul 14, 2019 19:35:14 GMT
Wow, that was another very entertaining race! Give Max and Charles two equal cars and let them race!
Congrats to Lewis. A bit lucky with the safety car but he would have won anyway I think. Bottas is certainly not bad but just a bit too light to really frighten Lewis. But their battle in the beginning of the race was great and fantastic how Valtteri did not give up and repassed Lewis.
But the best part of the race was the epic battle between Leclerc and Verstappen! Both youngsters showed incredible racecraft, the sort of battle we have been hoping to see between Hamilton and Vettel for years but that never really happened. The way how Charles defended his position was phenomenal and Max was also at his best. But Ferrari should have pitted Leclerc first to not lose position which was a shame. But again a great battle with Max with passing and repassing.
And then the Vettel/Verstappen incident. Again an error of judgement by Sebastian in close battle which was even more obvious after the high quality close battles between Max and Charles. I like Sebastian and he can be phenomenally fast but he's making too many mistakes recently. Should Ferrari already change their focus on Leclerc? I am afraid so.
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Post by Carl on Jul 14, 2019 23:34:55 GMT
The battle between Charles Leclerc and Max Verstappen was simply outstanding! Neither one wanting to yield, both aware of scrutiny, they were superb! Mercedes and Ferrari both slowed their number 2 drivers subtly but effectively, each being compelled to surrender position and disadvantaged, as Goldilocks would say, just right. Do they have computer algorithms that instruct in sabotage? "Who are you?" "The new Number 2" "Who is Number 1?" "You are Number 6" Leo McKern was far more cool than Patrick McGoohan and should have seized his Super 7
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Post by Carl on Jul 15, 2019 3:33:25 GMT
Having some indelible memories of that year and two cents in my pocket, I added both to the MS discussion. Seeing Clark race at Riverside! That is some memory to have. From what you said, Clark was clearly a well known figure by that time amongst US motorsports fans at least. Also interesting thoughts about the nature of the relationship between Clark and Chapman. Was Clark too unquestioning of Chapman's designs and Lotus engineering? It does seem that he was prepared to drive any Lotus car, anywhere, anytime. I've heard that in his last year, Clark was becoming more assertive and more challangeing towards Chapman. But when you see the success Clark achieved in his sadly short career, on a performance level that faith wasn't misplaced. I've got Dymocks book, bought at the Jim Clark museum in Duns (the old one), time to re-read it, I think. Jim Clark, already recognized as a great driver, assumed a special status in 1965 as far and away the best. Clark was as immediately competitive as a rookie at Indianapolis in 1963 as the great Bill Vukovich had been a dozen years earlier. Vukovich led more than 70% of the laps at Indy over his short career and similarly on a world stage, Clark blew away his competition and amazed everyone else. |
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Post by mikael on Jul 15, 2019 8:36:21 GMT
A real treat indeed, that race. Hopefully more like this to come in the remainder of the season!
- It seems more and more unlikely that Ferrari's next World Champion will be Vettel. A shame; but it seems to be an opportunity lost by now.
The situation kind of puts in perspective how good their last Champion - Raikkonen - was back then, in the mid-00's. To promptly win his first race in the Ferrari (in 2007), and to follow this up by taking also the World Title that same year (... strike while the iron is hot ... ). He was outstandingly good during those years ...
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Post by charleselan on Jul 15, 2019 12:07:53 GMT
Sunday 14th July 2019 was a superb day for sport on two fronts. Firstly there was one of the better Formula One races that displayed for all to see two young talents that will for years to come be at the forefront of motor racing; the only downside for me was that it wasn't on this occasion a race for 1st place, that will come a little later.
On the second front there was a truly amazing contest taking part at the home of cricket Lords for the One Day International World Cup Final. Without a doubt the most compelling ODI that I have watched and played by two outstanding teams in the finest spirit of sport. Really there should not have been a looser, we can celebrate the British victory but also feel the heartbreak of the New Zealand side who most certainly did not deserve to be runners up. The joy of this occasion made even more apparent by the fact that the whole match was aired live on Free To View UK TV.
It is interesting to hear that in the near future (next year possibly) cricket will return to terrestrial channels in the UK, largely i believe after much lobbying within the sport due to the massive decline in young interest in the sport. With this in mind I really hope that those in F1 are listening, as it is more than apparent that F! and many other disciplines of motor racing are suffering due to this. It is all well and good hauling in the cash from these exclusive Pay To View providers but in the end its the bums on seat that really matter.
At the British GP we all watched the resultant outcome of what had happened in Austria two weeks ago. For some drivers the move by Max Verstappen in Austria would have put down a marker that would have made them subservient to further clashes. However many of us knew different, and the thought being that he might well have let the tiger out of the bag. Charles Leclerc made it quite clear that Max had messed with the wrong guy and the ensuing battle was something to behold; to be honest Charles dished out what Max has been asking for over the past few years. There will be no quarter with these two over the coming years and one can pray that they have comparable cars and none of this tedious and mind numbing dominance of one marque over the rest of the field.
Valterri deserved more than the cards that ere handed to him, but one has to believe that he would not have prevailed over Lewis Hamilton in the end. His fight back early on was commendable but luck was not on his side. Wouldn't it be great for the sport to see Lewis driving a car comparable with that of Max & Charles.
What can one say about Sebastian Vettel's collision with Max, truly unfathomable for a four time World Champion to make such a novice mistake. Afterwards David Coulthard likened Sebastian's mistakes to that of Michael Schumacher at the end of his career, however what he fails to add is that Sebastian is not at the same point in his career as Michael was, Seb should be in the prime of his, whereas Michael was into his 40's and had been retired for several years when he came back and made the errors.
Ferrari as a team also really need to wake up and sort out the problems that they seem to incubate. At the beginning of the year they made the crass announcement that Sebastian would be getting the teams main focus, which was a bad decision even if it might have been understandable based on Sebastian's experience. However they should not have hampered Charles burgeoning career, and surely they had the wherewithal to see what was patently obvious. Vettel has had the focus and support, but wasted it and now it must be Charles that Ferrari put all their resources behind.
Elsewhere another fine early race showing by Lando Norris whose race was compromised by strategy, however he continues to shine in his first season. His team mate Carlos Sainz Jnr drove yet another outstanding race after a disappointing qualifying, his flawless defence against Ricciardo towards the end was massively impressive. I was also delighted to see Pierre Gasly finally turn the corner, he drove a fine race and let us hope it is the first of many.
Mikael mentions Kimi above, what can one say about him after another superb drive that yet again gained points in a car that is not the best. He may not have the lightening speed he once had but he gets the job done and come race day he knows how to get the best out of the car and himself.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 15, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
Charles you have pretty much said it all. Britain can be proud of putting on three excellent sporting events, all that could have been watched to the exclusion of all else. I chose the GP and missed out on the other 2 because I had a dinner arrangement but all were brilliant. This coming weekend is going to be tame.
It was nice to see that the race was not spoilt by penalties, not even grid penalties and Seb deserved his.
The one question I have is why was Max not penalised like Seb was in Canada for going outside the track boundary and then coming back right in front of Seb and then Seb hitting him? Likewise, Charles and Max's dice produced a couple of moves that 2 weeks earlier the stewards spent three hours debating and this week they didn't even review.
I am glad that no penalties were given because the race was tremendous but it just proves the point that the stewards were totally pathetic in Canada. Ferrari should feel aggrieved over that.
Does Toto Woolfe have a contract to be interviewed by Sky F1? He appears like clockwork towards the beginning of their F1 Wrap program and always gets his views in before the others. It doesn't feel right to me.
I think Merc have been hiding performance in their car for most of this era of F1. It just seems uncanny that their car always improves but yet every other team seems to make development mistakes. Again in just seems a bit strange to me.
The debate on MotorSport forum is really low after this race. I also find the posts that Ray does now and then very irritating and arrogant. I am glad he is not on this forum.
Would love others views.
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Post by Jamie on Jul 15, 2019 18:52:10 GMT
Well what a race.....I’ve really enjoyed the comments chaps and it’s nice to be enthused by F1 for a change isn’t it? Two great races in a row and the dirge of the French GP is but a memory...
As others have said the battling between CL and MV was absolutely brilliant and I’m looking forward to more of ‘these young lions clawing at each other’ as Mario might say. Hamilton was classy again and he’s in some sort of zone at the moment that must surely carry him to a sixth championship......we are definitely witnessing one of the greatest racing drivers ever at work I believe, not ‘the’ best of course, I think you all know who I reserve that sort of reverence for, but he’s up there on that list certainly. Having said that, a little variety would be nice in the second half of the season for sure.
I worry for Vettel now, it’s just not happening for him and I fear his head has dropped. The talent is still there, but are these tribulations causing the desire to leak away......who knows, but the end of the year could be interesting.
McLaren were great again and I’m so pleased about that, along with the performance of the 3 newcomers (Lando, Alex and George) this has been a real reason to cheer this year.
On a slightly negative note, I wish Kubica would walk away now as it’s clearly a step to far. What a shame to see a driver I admire in such a position...
And Rob, you are so right about the toxic MS forum; particularly bad after this race. Also couldn’t agree more regarding Ray, his ego is out of control and his constant banging on about the British press and Hamilton fanboys is like an extremely dull, stuck record. I used to enjoy his comments but that has changed now, way to poisonous for my taste and is straying into the category of troll.....
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Post by charleselan on Jul 15, 2019 20:33:53 GMT
I did look in on the MS Forum to see Mark Hughes report and had a quick look at the comment section, as you guys above mention they are truly dire these days. If those individuals call them selves motor sport enthusiasts then god help the sport. From the "resident expert" downwards they are either so enraptured by their favourite or wishing to be vomit worthy in their sycophancy.
Raymondo had not surfaced when I looked so i cannot comment on his contribution, and have little interest in going back to do so; I did think he had moved away as he had been conspicuous by his absence recently. he obviously has a bee in his bonnet about something now.
Rob it would appear that UK C4 also have an immediate call upon The Tonto post race as well. I am sorry to say that I just cannot take that guy at any price, I almost find him creepy. I did read that his after race comments were littered with innuendo's that the racing between "some drivers" bordered on "the dirty".. Really, maybe someone should remind him of his star drivers past manoeuvres, where he thought little of pushing an opponent off.
Jamie I couldn't agree more about those three young British lads (sorry I refer to Alexander as British even if he races under the flag of his mother). It almost takes me back to the seventies when we briefly had James Hunt; Roger Williamson & Tom Pryce. Interestingly with regard to Tom I understand that they have just unveiled a statue of him in his home town, and that last weekend there was a race named after him at a meeting on a Welsh circuit (can't recall the name). A nice touch for a much missed driver who could have achieved so much had he been spared that terrible accident.
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