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Post by René on Oct 21, 2017 23:33:45 GMT
In spite of the ridiculous rules and many other issues that are going on with contemporary F1, I am still excited for the race. And it wasn't a bad qualifying session for sure. Again a phenomenal pole lap for Lewis, his 72nd! But also Seb's lap was very good. I followed his lap on the 'inboard channel' and it was totally on the limit. Really superb. Are we finally going to see the Hamilton-Vettel battle we're all waiting for? That would be fantastic. Sainz was also very impressive in his first outing for the Régie. It seems the Hulk will need to up his game now. But this can only be good for the team. I am looking forward to an exciting race!  Forza Ferrari! |
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Post by Jamie on Oct 22, 2017 8:11:00 GMT
Agreed Rene, Hamilton looks very comfortable at the moment but that was indeed some lap from Seb so here's hoping for a strong race between them as you say.
I'm hoping for a Lewis win, but after a tough fight with Seb 👍
I'll be willing Sainz and Hartley to a good result also. Of the modern tracks, this is the one I enjoy most so really looking forward to the race.
Incidentally, did anyone see the SKY coverage during qualifying? It sounded like a V10/V12 car was doing a demo lap and the presenters could hardly contain there enthusiasm - speaks volumes for the sound of the current generation cars.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 22, 2017 14:27:13 GMT
I am going for Vettel, surprise, surprise. I didn't realise the site was operating so need to catch up. Carl I still need to reply to your interesting e mails re the B17 and the CAF.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 22, 2017 14:30:49 GMT
BTW my avatar pic is courtesy of the one and only John Charles. It is Stefan Johannson in one of my all time favourites Ferrari's F156/85 at the European GP , Brands Hatch on the weekend of the 6th October. Merci beaucoup Le Grande Charles.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 22, 2017 14:31:04 GMT
The Mercedes Benz power advantage looks pretty apparent to me, particularly in qualifying mode. Christian Horner was saying that even though the RB's have very good handling etc the new aero rules of 2017 mean that many corners are now taken flat which negate any aero effecient advantage they may have, as the extra power of the MB even comes into play in the corners now.
There is much speculation that the Ferrari will be more completive in race trim so we could be on for a good race, but not holding my breath, just fingers crossed. The Mighty Hamilton looks quite serene this year but with the best will in the world his teammate is not offering much of a sustained challenge, something the oft maligned Nico Rosberg always did.
Carlos Sainz Jnr really did look impressive in his debut for Renault; one has the feeling that Ferrari should have moved heaven & earth to get him signed up. I have always liked Kimi but one has to think that he would be better off joining Jensen and do something different, I think his problem is concentration and maybe not having the burning desire to win now. I wonder how much that affair in Monaco has effected his mental approach.
Brendon Hartley did a very good job considering the lad had not driven a single seater of around 5 years, he also came across really well in the interview he did with Karun on UK C4. I have a feeling that he and Pierre Gasley would make a really good pairing at Torro Rosso next season.
If the race is 1/10th as good as the MotoGP race then it will be worth watching. maybe Ferrari can emulate KTM in Moto2 earlier today  .
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Post by René on Oct 22, 2017 14:37:37 GMT
BTW my avatar pic is courtesy of the one and only John Charles. It is Stefan Johannson in one of my all time favourites Ferrari's F156/85 at the European GP , Brands Hatch on the weekend of the 6th October. Merci beaucoup Le Grande Charles. That is indeed a beautiful Ferrari Rob and great you are catching up on your late start! Selected the wrong gear or was it the damn grid penalty's?   |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 22, 2017 15:36:58 GMT
I was beginning to wonder where you had got to Rob! Great to see you catching up, as you can see it has already begun to evolve into something really special.
Really pleased that you liked the photo, it certainly was one of the all time best looking Ferrari's. Incidentally there is a really beautiful 1/32nd scale slot car of this very car limited edition "hand made" by a company called Osterero, quite expensive but very; very good; René can back me up on that one I am certain.
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Post by René on Oct 22, 2017 18:21:18 GMT
The Mercedes Benz power advantage looks pretty apparent to me, particularly in qualifying mode. Christian Horner was saying that even though the RB's have very good handling etc the new aero rules of 2017 mean that many corners are now taken flat which negate any aero effecient advantage they may have, as the extra power of the MB even comes into play in the corners now. Indeed and that is not a good situation. I have to think of Spa now where we watched the cars at Pouhon and have been really impressed with the speeds cars were doing there. I have been going to Spa since 1983 and have never seen cars going that fast at Pouhon. It was really impressive and probably awesome for the drivers but that much downforce is not good for racing. But well, we all know that... |
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Post by René on Oct 22, 2017 18:34:02 GMT
Incidentally there is a really beautiful 1/32nd scale slot car of this very car limited edition "hand made" by a company called Osterero, quite expensive but very; very good; René can back me up on that one I am certain. I can certainly back you up on that one JC as I have exactly this Osterero kit waiting to be build. Osterero makes beautiful slot cars that can compete with most quality static models. They also have the Lotus 79 in their collection in both JPS and Martini livery and they are stunning. I might buy one of these too but as you said, they are quite expensive. The Ferrari is also a real looker, just have to find some time to build it. |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 23, 2017 10:49:09 GMT
I am not surprised that you have the Osterero Ferrari 156/85 kit Renê, what an absolute beauty. Everything about the kit laid out in your photo reminds me of the 1/43rd scale kits I used to build; that is ones in the later years when great advancements were made in that particular industry.
Also very interesting what you mention about the cornering speed on your visit to Spa this year. I really believe that most sane observers and fans knew that the increase in downforce was the wrong way to go; it may well appeal to the "little boys" who often spout off on the internet sites but it wasn't in the best interests of racing or the sport.
Having viewed the Us GP last evening via UK C4 transmission there is much to write, but I will leave others to kick off that subject other than the fact that i was disgusted at the C4 coverage which has now evolved into something similar to the nauseous UK SKY effort. Maybe it is only me but Coultard really does seem to have an axe to grind with Kimi, as he never ceases to have a dig whenever an opportunity arises; and as for their outburst at Max's penalty, words fail me.
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Post by René on Oct 23, 2017 11:31:08 GMT
That was a very good race, I really enjoyed this one. A Ferrari championship will have to wait for another year but that was already becoming clear a few races ago. Lewis is performing on a very high level at the moment and he deserves the wins and the championship. Ferrari tried everything but they were just not fast enough. Seb's problems during the practice sessions didn't help with his car set up I'm afraid and maybe it could have been closer but Lewis was hard to beat this weekend. Hats off. What is wrong with Bottas? Is it mental or is he just not good enough in the end as a top driver? He wasn't convincing I thought and hasn't been for a few races now. Kimi on the other hand seemed quite awake despite his sunglasses. One of his better races this year. Sainz and Ocon are future race winners I think. They both show natural speed and commitment. Together with Max, they form the new generation. Yes Max. What a race again. The lad has future champion written all over him and this was another outstanding performance. Could he have challenged Hamilton had he started at the front? We'll never know but it would have been close for sure. Was the 5 sec penalty he received for his overtake on Kimi correct? Looking at the rule book, yes. But at a weekend were everyone was exceeding track limits all the time it seemed very harsh. Not a good decision in my view, even if it hurt seeing a Ferrari being overtaken in the last lap...  |
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Post by mikael on Oct 23, 2017 11:47:15 GMT
I have not been able to see the full race due to the time difference (and needing to be reasonably "fresh" today); I have just seen the highlights on the official F1 homepage (which I found very enjoyable). So I just wish to make one comment about the track limit dilemma (and the related penalty dilemma).
I watched the drivers' briefing (video) on the F1 homepage too. Here, in the evening after FP1&2, Max Verstappen pointed out (complained about) that the white lines and the curbs were "real slippery". And I couldn't help thinking that it would actually be a good compromise-solution if those wide, painted curb-like areas indeed *were* *really* slippery - so slippery that everyone surely would stay off them, just like they stay off the grass at, say, Suzuka.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 23, 2017 15:32:08 GMT
I enjoyed the race-it was exciting to say the least. Lewis Hamilton is in superb form at the moment-in fact he reminds me of Senna in 1990 and 1991 where one expected him to win unless something untoward happened. Ferrari have tried hard this year but had too much ground to make up from previous seasons. I think they will be more competitive next year and could even win. Bottas has been disappointing since the summer break but I suspect there are a number of reasons for this. One he was told at Spa that he was number two to Lewis. Two LH's form over the last six races has been so stupendous that he is probably suffering from the realisation that Hamilton is in a totally different league to him, rather like Berger did with Senna in 1990. Thirdly, Mercedes themselves don't think of him as first choice after LH otherwise they would have employed him for longer than just another year. All of these things would knock anyone's confidence and at that level it is mostly in the mind anyway. If he comes to terms with it like Rosberg did and devises other ways of beating LH then I am afraid he is lost. Sainz was a revelation now that he was given a more competitive car. The sad thing is to me is that there is too big a gap between the different teams and a driver like Sainz ends up having about 50 races before he gets a competitive car when in fact in the old days he would have been in a position to win within 20 races. Mercedes are ahead of Ferrari, whoa are ahead of Red Bull and then there is even a bigger gap to the rest. F1 has become so complex that a cars advantage can last for three or four seasons rather than one season in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Too much money available to the bigger teams enables more complex avenues to be explored thus increasing the competitive advantage for the rich teams.
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Post by René on Oct 23, 2017 15:37:28 GMT
And I couldn't help thinking that it would actually be a good compromise-solution if those wide, painted curb-like areas indeed *were* *really* slippery - so slippery that everyone surely would stay off them, just like they stay off the grass at, say, Suzuka. I agree with you there Mikael. If they made the tracks in a way that you can't exceed track limits without getting penalized we wouldn't be having these discussions at all. And it would make the racing more spectacular. I was more annoyed with the aparent inconsistancy of the stewards than with the actual penalty for Max. It just seemed very harsh after such a great drive. But thinking about it a bit longer I start to doubt. If the pass was not regulatory he should be penalized... |
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Post by René on Oct 23, 2017 17:37:43 GMT
I am not surprised that you have the Osterero Ferrari 156/85 kit Renê, what an absolute beauty. Everything about the kit laid out in your photo reminds me of the 1/43rd scale kits I used to build; that is ones in the later years when great advancements were made in that particular industry. I would be more than interested to see some of your model car projects one day! |
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