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Post by René on Feb 12, 2019 18:24:09 GMT
The new Renault RS19. Is this car good enough to close the bridge to the top three? Let's hope Danny and the Hulk can step on the podium at least a few times.   |
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Post by Jamie on Feb 12, 2019 18:29:19 GMT
Yes René, the actual true Rosso Corsa colour is a little like Lord Lucan’s fate......lots of different opinions but the truth is essentially lost to the past 😂
It’s definately not the orange hue we have now that’s for sure; for me it’s the deeper colour of the Prost /Mansell 640/641 cars.....
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Post by Jamie on Feb 12, 2019 18:32:24 GMT
I see Renault are talking of ‘significant gains’ in the engine department.......we’ve heard all this before haven’t we. I hope it’s true though as I have a soft spot for the Regie.
A car worthy of their two excellent drivers would be very good for F1 in general.
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Post by René on Feb 12, 2019 19:16:55 GMT
Yes René, the actual true Rosso Corsa colour is a little like Lord Lucan’s fate......lots of different opinions but the truth is essentially lost to the past 😂 It’s definately not the orange hue we have now that’s for sure; for me it’s the deeper colour of the Prost /Mansell 640/641 cars..... Agreed, that was the real classic look!   |
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Post by René on Feb 12, 2019 19:26:38 GMT
I see Renault are talking of ‘significant gains’ in the engine department.......we’ve heard all this before haven’t we. I hope it’s true though as I have a soft spot for the Regie. A car worthy of their two excellent drivers would be very good for F1 in general. I have a soft spot for the Régie also Jamie. Renault has a racing pedigree, it's in their blood. The first Grand Prix victory in history won by Ferenc Sisz with Renault in 1906!  |
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Post by chrisb on Feb 12, 2019 20:42:57 GMT
me too chaps, I think Regie does things in a good and professional manner, it would be so rewarding to see them successful and they always strike me as first and foremost - motor racing fans, which is much appreciated, I was at Silverstone in 1977 when Regie turned up with this bulbous beast that sounded a bit peculiar but look what it led to! yes!
sorry to bang on yet again but when I look at the Renault and then compare it to the Ferrari below it, I do grimace,
as some of you are far more technically advanced then I will ever be, this current F1 was ordained as more environmentally friendly? and yet I was under the impression that flying and the pollution that causes creates more damage to the environment than a few hours motor racing? is that right?
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Post by Jamie on Feb 12, 2019 20:48:39 GMT
Great pictures René, thank you. What a beast that pioneering GP car was, I bet it was one hell of a handful.
I’ve still got a soft spot for Renaultsport Clios having owned a Williams and 182 in the past.......bought both brand new and parted with both reluctantly (the Williams - was made an offer I couldn’t refuse, and the 182 - when the first child came along and it wasn’t practical). I currently have a Clio 197....as I said, I have a somewhat soft spot 😁 Always like to see Renault at the sharp end of F1 for this reason.
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Post by Jamie on Feb 12, 2019 20:54:09 GMT
Oh, and I’d love an original, unmolested R5 GT Turbo, but really good ones are far too much money now sadly 😟
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Post by Jamie on Feb 12, 2019 21:04:19 GMT
me too chaps, I think Regie does things in a good and professional manner, it would be so rewarding to see them successful and they always strike me as first and foremost - motor racing fans, which is much appreciated, I was at Silverstone in 1977 when Regie turned up with this bulbous beast that sounded a bit peculiar but look what it led to! yes! sorry to bang on yet again but when I look at the Renault and then compare it to the Ferrari below it, I do grimace, as some of you are far more technically advanced then I will ever be, this current F1 was ordained as more environmentally friendly? and yet I was under the impression that flying and the pollution that causes creates more damage to the environment than a few hours motor racing? is that right? This is often a talking point Chris isn’t it, the environmental impacts of the actual racing is completely irrelevant, even if they were running V16 two stroke engines the relative environmental impact is a mere wee in the ocean. The carbon footprint of the factories power consumption and transportation all over the world is far greater of course but I suppose the idea is to showcase the technologies for the manufacturers..........of course if F1 wanted to really encourage good environmental practices it would make everyone involved in the sport turn Vegan...... |
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Post by René on Feb 12, 2019 22:45:29 GMT
Great pictures René, thank you. What a beast that pioneering GP car was, I bet it was one hell of a handful. I’ve still got a soft spot for Renaultsport Clios having owned a Williams and 182 in the past.......bought both brand new and parted with both reluctantly (the Williams - was made an offer I couldn’t refuse, and the 182 - when the first child came along and it wasn’t practical). I currently have a Clio 197....as I said, I have a somewhat soft spot 😁 Always like to see Renault at the sharp end of F1 for this reason. Oh wow Jamie, did you own a Williams Clio? Cool. And I love the R5 ever since I watched the R5 support race at my first F1 meeting in '79. And my dad had a R16 in the early seventies. Still have a soft spot for that car, a dark green one. |
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Post by Carl on Feb 13, 2019 4:14:10 GMT
I see Renault are talking of ‘significant gains’ in the engine department.......we’ve heard all this before haven’t we. I hope it’s true though as I have a soft spot for the Regie. A car worthy of their two excellent drivers would be very good for F1 in general. I have a soft spot for the Régie also Jamie. Renault has a racing pedigree, it's in their blood. The first Grand Prix victory in history won by Ferenc Sisz with Renault in 1906! That 1906 Renault was years ahead of its competition. The monstrous FIATs that came later were awesomely fast but ponderous. The Renault looks nimble and fun to drive.
Only drivers were allowed to have upward swept moustaches.
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Post by mikael on Feb 13, 2019 5:01:16 GMT
me too chaps, I think Regie does things in a good and professional manner, it would be so rewarding to see them successful and they always strike me as first and foremost - motor racing fans, which is much appreciated, I was at Silverstone in 1977 when Regie turned up with this bulbous beast that sounded a bit peculiar but look what it led to! yes! sorry to bang on yet again but when I look at the Renault and then compare it to the Ferrari below it, I do grimace, as some of you are far more technically advanced then I will ever be, this current F1 was ordained as more environmentally friendly? and yet I was under the impression that flying and the pollution that causes creates more damage to the environment than a few hours motor racing? is that right? This is often a talking point Chris isn’t it, the environmental impacts of the actual racing is completely irrelevant, even if they were running V16 two stroke engines the relative environmental impact is a mere wee in the ocean. The carbon footprint of the factories power consumption and transportation all over the world is far greater of course but I suppose the idea is to showcase the technologies for the manufacturers..........of course if F1 wanted to really encourage good environmental practices it would make everyone involved in the sport turn Vegan...... I agree that the actual environmental impact of F1 (or of all racing activities on the Earth, seen as a whole, for that matter) isn't an issue at all. But if F1 is seen as a "rolling laboratory", aiding the development of the automobiles of tomorrow, then the inclusion of the environmental-conscious factor - and making an environmental statement - is really the right thing to do in the present times. My opinion has changed many times, at random, but now it has stabilized, somehow; and I do think the present small-displacement hybrid/turbo engine is the right thing - it's the proper engine for the 21st century. And to think that they get around 1000 HP out of the modest fuel-flow of 100 kg/h - it's super-impressive. (That this is helped by an employing a number of electric motors/generators doesn't make it less impressive - it's still approx. 1000 HP from 100 kg fuel per hour. For comparison, the last generation V10 3 litre engines (of the early 00's) had a similar power-output, slightly less than 1000 HP, but this was with a fuel flow of above 190 kg/h.) As to the new 2019 cars, the Renault looks good! But somehow, I think that a yellow base colour with white and black in equal measure is the "real" Renault livery. Maybe they (Renault) find that that is too much "retro" ... |
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Post by Carl on Feb 13, 2019 5:03:08 GMT
Oh, and I’d love an original, unmolested R5 GT Turbo, but really good ones are far too much money now sadly 😟 We in America were blessed with the Renault 8 and 10, good cars deprived of adequate dealerships. As a result, the reliability and reputation of Renault collapsed and never recovered. It's always a damn shame when something so promising is done half-assed.
Sadly, dealers were few and far apart even for the more popular English sports cars. I was lucky to live relatively close to Hollywood Sports Cars, which would massage my Sprite Mklll back to reliability until the next time we returned behind a tow truck. Joseph Lucas haunted my dreams. Beyond this, inadequate dealer networks plagued many otherwise very cool European cars.
I badly wanted a Renault 5 Turbo. The closest I came was the very talented Patrick Jacquemart, Renault Competition Director in America, whose R5 Turbo made 914/6s, RX-7s and 280Zs nervous in IMSA's GTU class. His tragic death at Mid-Ohio inspired two close friends to develop the HANS device.
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Post by Jamie on Feb 13, 2019 7:07:11 GMT
Great pictures René, thank you. What a beast that pioneering GP car was, I bet it was one hell of a handful. I’ve still got a soft spot for Renaultsport Clios having owned a Williams and 182 in the past.......bought both brand new and parted with both reluctantly (the Williams - was made an offer I couldn’t refuse, and the 182 - when the first child came along and it wasn’t practical). I currently have a Clio 197....as I said, I have a somewhat soft spot 😁 Always like to see Renault at the sharp end of F1 for this reason. Oh wow Jamie, did you own a Williams Clio? Cool. And I love the R5 ever since I watched the R5 support race at my first F1 meeting in '79. And my dad had a R16 in the early seventies. Still have a soft spot for that car, a dark green one. Yes, I bought one of the first back in 93/94 (can't remember exactly) when I couldn't really afford it ☺️ I got a great deal through a friend of my Dad who worked for Renault and I absolutely loved that car. Kept it for just under a year a sold it for the same money I bought it so I like to think it didn't cost me anything! I must have polished those gold speed line wheels once a week! Sold as it was keeping money from my karting. The 182 was probably the best of the lot and I still wish I owned that one, a brilliant drivers car.....lift off oversteer whenever you wanted it and controllable too, fabulous. The 197 is a superb looking car with its flared arches etc, looks like a mini touring car but, as with all cars nowadays, later iterations get fatter and the driving experience is blunted slightly from previous generations. Still brilliant though, I think Renaultsport are the kings of hot hatches. |
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Post by Jamie on Feb 13, 2019 7:13:33 GMT
This is often a talking point Chris isn’t it, the environmental impacts of the actual racing is completely irrelevant, even if they were running V16 two stroke engines the relative environmental impact is a mere wee in the ocean. The carbon footprint of the factories power consumption and transportation all over the world is far greater of course but I suppose the idea is to showcase the technologies for the manufacturers..........of course if F1 wanted to really encourage good environmental practices it would make everyone involved in the sport turn Vegan...... I agree that the actual environmental impact of F1 (or of all racing activities on the Earth, seen as a whole, for that matter) isn't an issue at all. But if F1 is seen as a "rolling laboratory", aiding the development of the automobiles of tomorrow, then the inclusion of the environmental-conscious factor - and making an environmental statement - is really the right thing to do in the present times. My opinion has changed many times, at random, but now it has stabilized, somehow; and I do think the present small-displacement hybrid/turbo engine is the right thing - it's the proper engine for the 21st century. And to think that they get around 1000 HP out of the modest fuel-flow of 100 kg/h - it's super-impressive. (That this is helped by an employing a number of electric motors/generators doesn't make it less impressive - it's still approx. 1000 HP from 100 kg fuel per hour. For comparison, the last generation V10 3 litre engines (of the early 00's) had a similar power-output, slightly less than 1000 HP, but this was with a fuel flow of above 190 kg/h.) As to the new 2019 cars, the Renault looks good! But somehow, I think that a yellow base colour with white and black in equal measure is the "real" Renault livery. Maybe they (Renault) find that that is too much "retro" ... I think you're absolutely spot on with this Mikael.........the actual emissions of the racing cars and the circus that supports it is irrelevant and certainly comparable to similar industries employing comparable numbers of people, but F1 is seen to showcase the tech that will make a difference when applied to Billions of road cars so it has to have a conscious. And, much as I'd love V10's, the engines we have now are probably about right for the times as you say. |
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