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Post by chrisb on Feb 10, 2019 8:52:30 GMT
when you read that amphetamine users are now switching to energy drinks as they get more of a 'high' from these drinks - you do start to wonder what is going on....
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Post by Jamie on Feb 10, 2019 9:26:53 GMT
when you read that amphetamine users are now switching to energy drinks as they get more of a 'high' from these drinks - you do start to wonder what is going on.... Blimey đ±đ± |
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 10, 2019 9:41:59 GMT
when you read that amphetamine users are now switching to energy drinks as they get more of a 'high' from these drinks - you do start to wonder what is going on.... That's scary Chris. I don't drink those things anyway. On a different note I was disappointed that Scotland didn't beat Ireland yesterday, they certainly had the firepower if not the finesse at crucial moments. Do you think Ireland are sandbagging? There last two games have not been at the level of intensity, flair and skill as that game against the All Blacks last year. |
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Post by René on Feb 10, 2019 11:01:15 GMT
If you have a spare 15 mins, have a look on Youtube at the 'Autosport Haas Livery Launch' it is so awkward that its almost funny. The livery does look good, though I wish they'd picked either Black and Gold, or Black and Silver and stuck with one rather than having Black, Gold and Silver - messy! Bizarre! I hope this is not an omen for their 2019 campaign! How unprofessional and clumsy. I get what you mean with the color scheme and youâre right but they have chosen to separate the Rich Energy livery (gold) from the other sponsors (silver). But yeah, it would have looked better with only gold or only silver. |
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Post by René on Feb 10, 2019 11:38:23 GMT
Jim, we agree on many things. Certainly that Jim Hall was a freaking genius! He was a pioneer who designed many wonderful innovative cars. But calling the open front wheels of an F1 car a basic flaw is something I donât agree with. Of course it is from an aerodynamic/engineering point of view but that is looking at it from the wrong perspective. F1 is an open wheel form of racing so that is the rule, deal with it. I am all for braking with traditions (the concept of traditions brings enough misery to this world) but in racing we have different categories and F1 happens to be open wheel. Has been since the beginning. Like football is 11 against 11 on a pitch with certain dimensions. I feel the problem is that the rules are written too much by the engineers while the engineers task should be to deal with the rules layed down by the governing body, the FIA. If the rules say that a car may be no longer than XX cm and no heavier than XX kg and the front and rear wing may have no more than three elements and have a maximum width of XX cm, than those are the rules. Build the best car within those rules. And those rules should be written in a way that the outcome produces a good looking car that can race. But the teams have too much influence and when you let the engineers write the rules, they are only thinking âI need a wide front wing to deal with the turbulances around the front wheelsâ. But the FIA should say: âno Mr. Engineer, you are not getting this wide wing. The wing must be no wider than the distance between the wheels, deal with itâ. But they donât and this is where it has gone wrong and why we have end up with the current type of cars. They are too big, too heavy and not really good looking which is all kinda weird for a Formula One car! Cheers Rene, I think we are getting to the, 'lets agree to disagree stage', but being a pedantic b*gger, I feel compelled to respond to your points, sorry. As you concede yourself, from an aerodynamic point of view, Open wheels on fast cars is a flawed concept. 'Dealing with it' results in the aerodynamic add ons that people argue spoils the appearance of the cars. On the 'engineers' having too much influence over the rules. I'd argue that the reverse has been true. F1 has been subject to too many capricious and poorly considered rule changes from the FIA, and Bernie, in the past. These invariably result in unintended consequences, when the engineers 'deal with them' by interpreting the regs to gain maximum performance advantage. This then kicks off the next round of poorly considered knee-jerk responses. Look where that has got F1, and consider if the approach that the FIA have agreed to allow the LM technical group to follow, of developing regulations based on actual research and testing might not get at least a more predictable outcome. It may also result in more attractive cars, since that is one of Ross Brawn's stated aims. Ah Jim, we can always agree to disagree at some stage. We may agree though on the fact that the FIA have shown to be an inert entity without teeth over and over again. And to be clear, I have nothing against the engineers and all the stuff they have come up with over the years. Their work is amazing and modern grand prix cars are mind blowing technological wonders with sublime detail and finish (enough superlatives in one sentence for now...  ). And the racing isnât always bad either. Also in the 60s there were races where the entire field got lapped by the top three. But F1 is a different game now. The speed is still there but the element of danger and the unpredictability are (almost) gone. Thatâs progress I guess. Now may we at least have good looking cars?  I truly hope Ross and his team make the right calls and we will see better looking, more racy cars (a bit more nimble and light please, Ross) in 2021. |
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Post by charleselan on Feb 10, 2019 13:21:49 GMT
Chris & Mikael,
I have noticed that on the MS Forum many excellent or just good features rarely get a comment. This I believe illustrates the fact that those that do comment are purely F1 "fan boys" of the current era, nothing more nothing less. The other "interesting" fact is that the MotoGP features always gain more comments than anything else, and like you mention Chris they are also ill-informed and biased towards their favourite jockey.
From my perspective I find the fact that bike racing, of which I am an equal enthusiast to cars, takes too much space in what is a car magazine. For goodness sake there are many more bike magazines out there, we do not need it in a specialised car racing product, especially when rallying new & old never gets a mention. Sport cars only ever get a feature when some F1 has been crops up in the category.
Back in the day most of the folk I met were motor sport enthusiasts who loved all forms of racing, from a club event to the premier classes as well as being frozen stiff in some Welsh forest watching a rally event. This does not appear to be the case with many of these individuals that spout off on the MS Forum.
To this very day I find it sad that a place we all used to go to and comment on has degenerated into the puerile rubbish of current times. However what we have here on RRT is just superb.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 10, 2019 18:30:36 GMT
chaps, am in total agreement with all the above, gosh, my ex' would faint- she wouldn't believe I could agree, I did say it was personal...
the MS forum is blighted, far too many great contributors are either here or nowhere to be seen, my word am I glad you are here chaps!
Interestingly enough John it is the forum that has a great deal on motorbikes the magazine less so, presumably because of the reception it receives, but your point is so true, I used to love club events, depending on where I was and what was on, a trip to Brands was about a half an hour drive and to watch a motor bike race or a car race was a great way [or so I thought] to spend an afternoon, some of my lady friends were less keen, oh well, and Croft is not far from me now so I must visit there more often, but yea the freezing hills of Wales for the RAC rally brings back fond memories, or watching an F3 race at Silverstone in the snow was always a hoot....he says, and the highlight of the year was the Grand Prix either at Silverstone or Brands - so when I listen to the wittering of a keyboard 'person' being detrimental or rude I just wonder what is that person's make up to make such comments, I mean there are Michael fans here and I respect their views - I am not a fan of Michael and detested his tactics at certain times but my word did I respect his driving skills, sam as Senna, although as a human being Senna was I think mesmerising but again his driving could go from the sublime to the ridiculous but again the respect I have for his abilities and his personality were incredible,
yea Rob, was pretty unhappy at the result, although thought the first half was probably one of the best halves I have ever seen in the 6 nations, shame about the Irish first try, but these things happen, I just think Scotland lost more than Ireland won,
one of the many many things I so enjoy with RRT is that fact we can disagree without resorting to ill-manners and that is worth many a mile and a few miles - as you know in motorbiking terms: more miles means more smiles
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Post by René on Feb 11, 2019 16:59:43 GMT
Two more launches today! The new Toro Rosso STR14. A neat looking car I must say.  And Williams presented their new telecom title sponsor and livery.  Good to see they have a new title sponsor and that also goes for McLaren and BAT. Tobacco money is obviously still hot in F1. Photos: Autosport |
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 11, 2019 17:29:13 GMT
My first thought on seeing the Williams was of the Rondel F2 car for some reason.
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Post by charleselan on Feb 11, 2019 21:09:05 GMT
Two topics of great debate currently; firstly the new title sponsor of Williams, and the announcement that McLaren will be sponsored by BAT (British American Tobacco). Controversial both, it would appear.
The telecom entity Rokit it would seem, have yet to establish a saleable product, and is the company owned by former Goodyear technician to Williams from the days of Alan Jones.
BAT sponsoring McLaren is already creating some waves quite understandably, especially as the Australians are making waves about Philip Morris' involvement with Ferrari and the "Minnow Winnow" (or whatever it is called) signage etc.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 11, 2019 21:50:56 GMT
at first glance I though the sponsor of the Williams was roadkill, a bit insensitive I thought, but apparently not, it does beg the question as you point out that are they about to launch a saleable product and using F1 to achieve the publicity, a slightly flawed concept for the UK I ponder, I mean of the 345 people who will watch a GP live will they wonder who Rokit are? but nice colour scheme
BAT sponsoring McLaren? maybe they are going to launch a new vapour thingy - just to pollute us further, oh goody
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Post by René on Feb 11, 2019 22:38:40 GMT
Well, at least we have a real BATmobile now on the grid! I would suggest the following outfit for Carlos and Lando.  |
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Post by Carl on Feb 12, 2019 2:41:24 GMT
I have always wanted Williams to regain competitive form, but didn't Elton John sing about a confused and unhappy Rocket Man throughout the voyage?
Sir Elton was never as brave at speed as Robert Kubica and George Russell, so hopefully Williams should be fine with all systems go.
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Post by Jamie on Feb 12, 2019 17:53:18 GMT
I hear that the Ferrari may be painted in a deeper red colour this season, a minor point but I do hope thatâs the case.
I donât suppose it will ever be the true Rosso Corsa again though.....mores the pity.
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Post by René on Feb 12, 2019 18:11:16 GMT
I hear that the Ferrari may be painted in a deeper red colour this season, a minor point but I do hope thatâs the case. I donât suppose it will ever be the true Rosso Corsa again though.....mores the pity. Yes would be nice. The F2007 was also a bit darker red (how good that car looks now...). As for true Rosso Corsa, it is debateable which shade of red over the years is the 'true' one. Even in the old days the colour varied slightly.  |
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). And the racing isnât always bad either. Also in the 60s there were races where the entire field got lapped by the top three.
I truly hope Ross and his team make the right calls and we will see better looking, more racy cars (a bit more nimble and light please, Ross) in 2021. 
