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Post by René on Jan 27, 2019 10:50:56 GMT
I have been rather distant on this blog so far this year as by the end of last season I was worn out from watching, discussing and building car models so felt very stale. It's good to be blogging again with you guys. Rob, I guess we all suffer from 'Forum fatigue' at times or simply don't have the time or energy to participate. I know I have! But good to see you posting again although I will not join in the 'best of all time' discussion as I truly believe there is no way of saying who was the best. You can only judge drivers in their respective eras to my mind. But anyway, after all the model making I am sure there are a few interesting scale models you could show us!  |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 27, 2019 13:48:33 GMT
Hi Charles Very good points. I agree with your assessment re Jim Clark vs Senna and Prost. I also think he had no equal and was so freakishingly (sic) talented that he hardly ever had to push his personal envelope to win. I don't think Jim Clark in his prime would have been beaten by any other driver in their prime in an equal car regularly. I also think we could have point and counter point forever and in the end it would boil down to personal viewpoints as it is so difficult to compare drivers between different eras with each other. I have also done some re-thinking, research and review of Graham Hill given yours and Chris's comments and have realised that he was a bloody good driver, not as natural as Jim Clark but consistently the second best overall in the period 1962 to 1967. I think he was losing his edge a bit by 1968 but still put in a wonderful season and was a deserved champion. Therefore I must agree with you and Chris that the pairing of Hill and Clark at Lotus in 1967 was the strongest available at the time. Jackie and Jim would have been wonderful though Jackie would never drive for Lotus. As you say Jackie was very good but was not always the fastest, though I wonder what Jackie and Jim might have done if they could have driven theirs cars of the time with as much impunity that drivers on the whole have been driving since the advent of carbon fibre tubs. I always think that both of those were sensible enough and talented enough to win at their personal slowest speed for the circumstances. It has been an interesting discussion /debate for me and I hope for others. It is always good to review one's views based on other points of view. I have been rather distant on this blog so far this year as by the end of last season I was worn out from watching, discussing and building car models so felt very stale. It's good to be blogging again with you guys. Great to have you back Rob and it is indeed a great debate, so enjoyable when you have the members we have here; gentlemen all! I have to confess that I reassessed my feelings about Graham Hill in more recent times also. Graham himself was very aware of the huge natural talent of Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart and said so many times, sometimes jokingly but always sincere. That is what made Graham so special, and in my mind such a great driver. His character and personality carried Team Lotus in 1968 after Jim's death, and he drove brilliantly that year. I believe that the terrible leg breaks he suffered in the 1969 US GP brought his front line career in GP's to an end, although he still brought out the odd great performance while at Brabham, along with the sensational Le Mans win for Matra in 1972. |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 30, 2019 18:44:33 GMT
Interested to read yesterday that many of the circuit promoters are kicking off against Liberty, not before time that they started to wield the axe and should have done it with the Poison Dwarf long ago. They have also made a strong point about the folly of putting all live races behind a "TV Pay Wall"; its what we have been saying for flaming years, totally counter productive.
It also seems that places like Sochi and the Middle East have distanced themselves from all this; well they jolly well would wouldn't they, as they have sod all heritage, but loads of funding. Personally Liberty should take the lot that is Eff One to these venues and leave us all alone.
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 1, 2019 15:38:06 GMT
Ahem my first prediction for 2019, made last year, has proved accurate. Sauber are now called Alfa Romeo.
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Post by Carl on Feb 1, 2019 16:52:40 GMT
Ahem my first prediction for 2019, made last year, has proved accurate. Sauber are now called Alfa Romeo. Well done, Rob! Tune into the aviation thread in General Discussion, "Four engines and slow as hell" as reward...and enjoy  |
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Post by René on Feb 1, 2019 16:55:13 GMT
Ahem my first prediction for 2019, made last year, has proved accurate. Sauber are now called Alfa Romeo. Good for you Rob and good for F1! I love Alfa Romeo so two more cars to support!
Ok, they're not made in Milan but the Mercs are not made in Stuttgart. So is modern F1.
Let's hope the Alfa's will be red. Alfa Rosso, Cuore Sportivo! 
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Post by charleselan on Feb 1, 2019 18:02:29 GMT
Kimi "I know what I am doing"!
He certainly does..............
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Post by René on Feb 2, 2019 0:03:16 GMT
Only ten days to go before the first car of the 2019 season is revealed! Here's an updated launch date list:
11 feb: Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda
12 feb: Renault F1 Team
13 feb: Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
13 feb: Racing Point F1
14 feb: McLaren Renault F1 Team
15 feb: Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow
18 feb: Alfa Romeo F1 Team
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Post by René on Feb 2, 2019 11:27:43 GMT
Time to add a few more cars to this overview!  |
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Post by charleselan on Feb 2, 2019 17:11:37 GMT
Time to add a few more cars to this overview! That's a good little chart René. I always liked the 1980 179C with Patrick and Bruno at the wheel, it was a pretty handy car and Mark Hughes has written a good piece about it on the MS Forum. I wonder how the new Alfa Romeo Team will develop and are they going to be classed as a manufacture now. Also I have reason to suspect that Kimi knew this was going on behind the scenes, especially with all the ex-Ferrari technical guys who have moved there including the chap who was largely responsible for the last Ferrari chassis design! |
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Post by robmarsh on Feb 3, 2019 8:32:07 GMT
I am so looking forward to seeing how Alfa will perform. I now have three of my favourite drivers driving italian red cars.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 3, 2019 9:39:02 GMT
that is a great banner Rene, these cars are just so evocative, for a variety of reasons I have always liked Alfa's unlike the other red cars and one of my greatest moments was watching Andrea De Cesaris at Spa in an Alfa [1983?] he was mighty that day and the sound - ahh, heaven, my first trip to Spa [courtesy of a coach company- something I will never repeat- but times were hard] and sadly my only one thus far, although I am getting tempted to pay another visit - beautiful place
how will the Alfa perform? Kimi is still quick and will be freer to race so expect good things from him and I don't know the other chap, but wouldn't it be great if they got some real success
JC, yes I read that with some interest, it actually felt that someone was standing up for the fans, for the circuits and motor racing, not the PD and his millions - be interesting to see where this goes, maybe this is the start of a revolution?
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Post by charleselan on Feb 3, 2019 14:13:45 GMT
that is a great banner Rene, these cars are just so evocative, for a variety of reasons I have always liked Alfa's unlike the other red cars and one of my greatest moments was watching Andrea De Cesaris at Spa in an Alfa [1983?] he was mighty that day and the sound - ahh, heaven, my first trip to Spa [courtesy of a coach company- something I will never repeat- but times were hard] and sadly my only one thus far, although I am getting tempted to pay another visit - beautiful place how will the Alfa perform? Kimi is still quick and will be freer to race so expect good things from him and I don't know the other chap, but wouldn't it be great if they got some real success JC, yes I read that with some interest, it actually felt that someone was standing up for the fans, for the circuits and motor racing, not the PD and his millions - be interesting to see where this goes, maybe this is the start of a revolution? I was there too in 1983 Chris, thankfully in private transport with a mate. I had experienced coach travel to a race in the tragic 1982 Belgian GP, and only once since at Le Mans in 1990........never ever again!! The 1983 event was really good, from the torrential rain on the Saturday morning practice to the warm sunshine of race day and exploring the "new" Spa circuit. Andrea was mighty in qualifying and the early laps, but my memory is of Keke hurling the Williams FW08C down through Eau Rouge trying to hang on to the Turbo's. After that we walked up to Les Combes, and that is quite a climb, where we were able to go under the track from the outside thanks to some very accommodating Gendarmes who didn't seem to care, and look down on the cars as they came down from Bruxelles. I must see if I can find the photos from that day. |
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Post by René on Feb 3, 2019 15:31:54 GMT
Yep, I was also there. Here is the Alfa, inbetween the Ferrari and the Brabham-BMW.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 6:58:48 GMT
Hi Racers,
If you are ready for some 2019 F1 technology information. Autosport have released a podcast discussing the 2019 aero regulations, with Pat Symonds, plus views from Gary Anderson and AS's technical editor (Jake Boxall-Legge).
Very good insight on the regulations, how they relate to the LM 2021 regulations, and what the effects might be.
These current changes were very much driven by the FIA, which always triggers alarm bells, especially as expectations are definitley being dialled back from "these changes will improve following and overtaking", to "these changes will stop things getting worse".
On a more positive note, the work the LM's Technical Team are doing for the 2021 regulations sound really interesting, and for once should result in a cohesive set of regulations based on research and evidence, rather than a series of 'suck it and see' point solutions.
Potentially Happy Daze ;-)
Also some really good insight as to what went wrong with the Overtaking working group back in 2008.
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