|
|
Post by charleselan on Mar 7, 2019 22:08:56 GMT
From my perspective I would have to deduce that Paddy Lowe was typical of someone getting advanced positions based on unfounded perceptions. Leaders are of a different ilk to Paddy, who one would have to conclude was an expedient appointment by Tonto to rid himself from the presence off the real architect of MB domination Ross Brawn.
Paddy Lowe is no more a great leader than Pat Symonds or "Fernando is faster than You" Smedley, both OK in their field but not of the quality that marks Brawn or Newey as great Technical Directors in the more modern age.
Williams are in a right mess and it is very hard to see them getting out of it. Too many times in the past we have seen this team handle its drivers appallingly; loosing engine suppliers from a dominant position and discarding top quality engineers. They got away with it in the past when they were one of the big teams, but now they are no longer in that position and that is why Team Williams are in a perilous position today.
|
|
|
|
Post by chrisb on Mar 8, 2019 6:51:20 GMT
sad but true JC, they really haven't managed either at all well but seem to have some sort of bond with Mercedes, although historically I will also prefer them with Renault and McLaren with Mercedes,
Rob excellent questions and one wonders how perilous Team Williams are, maybe they need to look back to look forward so to speak and take a punt on someone on the 'up' who has those qualities JC quite rightly identifies
|
|
|
|
Post by René on Mar 10, 2019 12:14:36 GMT
And what about the extra point for fastest lap?
Me as a Ferrari fan should be all in favour of course as it made the difference in 1958 when Hawthorn won the title and it would have given Massa the title in 2008. On average it probably won't make that much of a difference I guess but it's a nice idea.
|
|
|
|
Post by chrisb on Mar 10, 2019 13:22:12 GMT
personally i like the idea, as it may encourage someone who has a mechanical problem to come back onto the circuit,
Rene, good point about Massa being WDC had it been in use then, what would have changed as a result of that I wonder, makes me think is there anyone else in history where it would have changed things? Niki and Alain? 1984, Graham and John Surtees in 64? mmm may have to look at that one,
|
|
|
|
Post by mikael on Mar 11, 2019 11:33:16 GMT
This is very interesting! (Source: Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport) link |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:23:45 GMT
There are some pretty harsh comments about Paddy Lowe, and his leadership abilities. Maybe these are based on a detailed knowledge of his career and abilities, but possibly not. There is an interesting article on Lowe and his career at the link below; www.ingenia.org.uk/Ingenia/Articles/c24d588a-4db1-41d1-949e-0fff46bf1e07It has been a pretty stellar career over more than 30 years in F1, and you don't have to search too hard on the interweb to find out more about his career, and achievements. To me, it doesn't look like he has got into 'advanced positions based on unfounded perceptions'. Rather he has been appointed into advanced positions based on a series of successes. There may have been a falling out with Mercedes, or with Toto Woolf, in 2017. But that was after a period of spectacular success in that organisation. 2014 to 2017 Mercedes were the most dominant Team there has been in F1, and he was Executive Technical Director, chosen over Ross Brawn. It does seem that he hasn't been successful in his recent stint with Williams. But as others have noted, it is an organisation with problems, maybe not all of them can be laid at Lowe's feet. And he did have the courage to take on the daunting role to help Williams restructure, and apparently was prepared to put money into the company as part of that. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:35:08 GMT
And what about the extra point for fastest lap? Me as a Ferrari fan should be all in favour of course as it made the difference in 1958 when Hawthorn won the title and it would have given Massa the title in 2008. On average it probably won't make that much of a difference I guess but it's a nice idea. It looks like a bit of fluff to me, adding to 'The Show' but not the racing. More than likely it will be the top three (or four) Teams that scoop up these extra points, and normally it will have little impact on the outcomes of either championship, or Constructors championship standings. Can you imagine how awful it would have been in the 2014 to 2016 period, or 2000 to 2005 when it would just have added 'pointless' points to the totals of the WDC and WCC in that period. The way I look at it, there is already a bonus for the fastest lap. It is measured in Qualifying, and they let the fastest lapper start at the front, which is normally worth more than 1 extra point. |
|
|
|
Post by mikael on Mar 12, 2019 11:50:12 GMT
And what about the extra point for fastest lap? Me as a Ferrari fan should be all in favour of course as it made the difference in 1958 when Hawthorn won the title and it would have given Massa the title in 2008. On average it probably won't make that much of a difference I guess but it's a nice idea. It's a great idea to re-introduce this principle, as used in the period 1950-59. An additional point for pole-position would also be very reasonable, I think.
So many times the championship was decided by just one point; one time (1984) by just half a point.
|
|
|
|
Post by René on Mar 12, 2019 16:45:19 GMT
There are some pretty harsh comments about Paddy Lowe, and his leadership abilities. Maybe these are based on a detailed knowledge of his career and abilities, but possibly not. There is an interesting article on Lowe and his career at the link below; www.ingenia.org.uk/Ingenia/Articles/c24d588a-4db1-41d1-949e-0fff46bf1e07It has been a pretty stellar career over more than 30 years in F1, and you don't have to search too hard on the interweb to find out more about his career, and achievements. To me, it doesn't look like he has got into 'advanced positions based on unfounded perceptions'. Rather he has been appointed into advanced positions based on a series of successes. There may have been a falling out with Mercedes, or with Toto Woolf, in 2017. But that was after a period of spectacular success in that organisation. 2014 to 2017 Mercedes were the most dominant Team there has been in F1, and he was Executive Technical Director, chosen over Ross Brawn. It does seem that he hasn't been successful in his recent stint with Williams. But as others have noted, it is an organisation with problems, maybe not all of them can be laid at Lowe's feet. And he did have the courage to take on the daunting role to help Williams restructure, and apparently was prepared to put money into the company as part of that. I have no doubt Lowe is a very intelligent man (we don't all get awarded a degree in engineering from the University of Cambridge) and it's a shame it didn't work out at Williams. As I mentioned in another post or two, there seems to be more going on at Williams and obviously something that a man of Lowe's experience and expertise could not change for the better. If he was the right man for Williams, I don't know but as you said he even put money in it so his heart was in the right place. Maybe in a year or two we will hear what really went on there (...if Williams still exists by then). |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 19:07:02 GMT
I have no doubt Lowe is a very intelligent man (we don't all get awarded a degree in engineering from the University of Cambridge) Maybe in a year or two we will hear what really went on there (...if Williams still exists by then). Not just an engineering degree from Cambridge, a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering - so a bunch of other very good engineers think he's a successful engineer too. On Williams future, I guess because they are an independent, and don't have a backer with deep pockets, they do look more vulnerable than the likes of McLaren, or Racing Point. But I do think that a lot of the commentry on their position is a bit premature, in reality they have had one bad season out of the past five. This season isn't looking too promising, but they are a resourceful bunch, I'm not counting them out yet. |
|
|
|
Post by Carl on Mar 12, 2019 23:10:59 GMT
I have no doubt Lowe is a very intelligent man (we don't all get awarded a degree in engineering from the University of Cambridge) Maybe in a year or two we will hear what really went on there (...if Williams still exists by then). Not just an engineering degree from Cambridge, a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering - so a bunch of other very good engineers think he's a successful engineer too. On Williams future, I guess because they are an independent, and don't have a backer with deep pockets, they do look more vulnerable than the likes of McLaren, or Racing Point. But I do think that a lot of the commentry on their position is a bit premature, in reality they have had one bad season out of the past five. This season isn't looking too promising, but they are a resourceful bunch, I'm not counting them out yet. Paddy Lowe has been a great asset at several teams and his reputation over the years has not been based on unfounded perceptions, until perhaps now. Without exception, everyone accomplished in creative endeavor has a measurable period of creativity, which never lasts forever. It's entirely possible that Lowe was employed by Mercedes with high hopes based on past performance. He then was unable or unwilling at Abu Dhabi to demand compliance to what was best for the team. When you can't control a toddler, it may be time to leave the nursery. More recently I think he's been blamed for the incompetence of Claire Williams, who seems to believe that a stern countenance somehow will translate to success. Lowe deserves a good position at a good team, but his period of top-level creativity may be over. |
|
|
|
Post by robmarsh on Mar 13, 2019 8:55:19 GMT
Paddy Louw may be very good technically but his last role was more strategy and management than technical. He didn't deliver just like Claire Williams isn't delivering. With the exception of Ferrari and Brabham and Mclaren to a lesser degree, most F1 teams don't succeed for very long after the founder dies or steps down. The energy or sheer bloody mindedness is not there. I can't see Williams being any different at this stage.
|
|
|
|
Post by robmarsh on Mar 13, 2019 8:57:39 GMT
Whom I expect to win in 2019:
Hamilton
Vettel
Bottas
Verstappen
Leclerc
Whom I would love to win in 2019
Vettel
Bottas
Leclerc
Raikonen
Gasly
Verstappen
In no particular order
|
|
|
|
Post by charleselan on Mar 13, 2019 17:50:15 GMT
Whom I would love to win in 2019 Vettel Bottas Leclerc Raikonen Gasly Verstappen In no particular order Rob, In the above group I would like to add Nico Hulkenberg. Way too good not to have won at least one race, let alone get a top three finish. JC |
|
|
|
Post by chrisb on Mar 13, 2019 20:36:10 GMT
hear hear JC, the Hulk for WDC 2019!
Rob, I tend to agree with your lists who will probably win a GP but would add Ricciardo, the Hulk and a surprise winner who no one expects to take a GP win
Paddy Lowe isn't Patrick Head and that is the problem
|
|
