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Post by Carl on Feb 22, 2019 4:41:07 GMT
For what it's worth, I always thought the Ferrari 312 T4 was uniquely beautiful. I remember liking it immediately because of its symmetry and the angled wings front and rear.
Sorry to say because I admire Tony Southgate, but the Arrows A2 looks like a beached whale that's been out in the sun too long.
I like the ATS HS1 except for the grill on the nose. Could this really have saved much drag? The unusual and very cool cockpit resembles a WW2 submarine conning tower. Both ATS were photographed at the 1978 Long Beach Grand Prix.
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Post by mikael on Feb 22, 2019 5:18:43 GMT
Having watched some of the videos available at the official F1 homepage (https://www.formula1.com/) from this first test of 2019, I continue to be mystified as to why the microphone placement for onboard footage is as it is. Maybe the producers wish to give an as authentic "driver's view and driver's impression" as possible. But from an entertainment point of view, it would be much better to place the microphone(s) near the exhaust (even though this isn't the sound the driver hears).
Apparently, some such tests have been carried out. Here is a link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/77shrh/perez_onboard_lap_with_the_experimental/
The video looks a bit odd, but the sound is right. (It is close to the sound you hear at trackside.) I wonder why it isn't done in this way.
Addendum: Maybe it's the teams themselves that don't want this; the exhaust soundtrack may reveal too much about the energy-harvest timing, etc.
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Post by chrisb on Feb 22, 2019 6:41:31 GMT
thanks Mikael, doesn't it look a bit odd, sounds a bit better but then after listening to FE anything sounds better but it just looks more like a video game
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Post by chrisb on Feb 22, 2019 6:48:28 GMT
there are many cars that bring great memories the T4 was an interesting design and sounded great and I admire your passion Rene,
the ATS on the other hand with it's Lotus 78 grill was not something I would describe as a thing of beauty and you describe the A2 perfectly Carl,
another car that springs to mind was the Eifelland E21 March of 72, man that was unsightly
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Post by mikael on Feb 22, 2019 7:19:48 GMT
thanks Mikael, doesn't it look a bit odd, sounds a bit better but then after listening to FE anything sounds better but it just looks more like a video game Chris, I agree it looks a bit video-game-like, and it might be just that (it's not that easy to tell these days). Still, I do think that onboard footage could sound like that, with a properly placed microphone. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 1:05:59 GMT
Back to modern times, 2019 testing at Barcelona. An interesting day with again (expected) midfield teams posting the fastest times. Good to see the Renaults up on the list and again a fast time for a Toro Rosso Honda. But all these times were set on the softest available compound (C5). And that also goes for both the Mercedes which still makes it hard to judge where they really are. Leclerc in the Ferrari finished in 6th, a tenth behind Lewis but concentrating on long runs on the medium tyre (C3). If he had bolted on C4 or C5 tyres, I am sure he would have done a 1.16. But can the Merc do that too? That's the question... Edit: Valtteri was on C5 and Lewis on C4. But still, soft tyres to the medium tyres for Charles. Mark Hughes has posted a good (insightful) article summarising the first week of testing, and giving his ranking of the Teams and their relative pace, so far. Typically, well worth a read. Whereas most of the other stuff I've seen is superficial. |
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Post by René on Feb 23, 2019 10:53:58 GMT
Back to modern times, 2019 testing at Barcelona. An interesting day with again (expected) midfield teams posting the fastest times. Good to see the Renaults up on the list and again a fast time for a Toro Rosso Honda. But all these times were set on the softest available compound (C5). And that also goes for both the Mercedes which still makes it hard to judge where they really are. Leclerc in the Ferrari finished in 6th, a tenth behind Lewis but concentrating on long runs on the medium tyre (C3). If he had bolted on C4 or C5 tyres, I am sure he would have done a 1.16. But can the Merc do that too? That's the question... Edit: Valtteri was on C5 and Lewis on C4. But still, soft tyres to the medium tyres for Charles. Mark Hughes has posted a good (insightful) article summarising the first week of testing, and giving his ranking of the Teams and their relative pace, so far. Typically, well worth a read. Whereas most of the other stuff I've seen is superficial. Yes I have read Mark’s piece, always interesting. Ferrari is leading the pact, that’s for sure and probably around three to five tenth. Next week it will be very interesting to see what Mercedes can do. They are having some issues but it’s Mercedes so they will do everything in their power to overcome those. And they have Lewis. Mark made an estimation what the relative times would be on the C3 tyre but Gary Anderson did a calculation adjusting tyres and fuel had they all run on the C4 tyre which looks like this: Pos Team Actual time Tyres Adjusted to C4 Adjusted for fuel/tyres 1. Ferrari 1m18.046s C3 1m17.546s 1m16.048s 2. Renault 1m17.393s C5 1m17.693s 1m16.361s 3. Mercedes 1m17.857s C5 1m18.157s 1m16.492s 4. Haas 1m18.563s C3 1m18.063s 1m16.565s 5. Red Bull 1m18.780s C3 1m18.280s 1m16.615s 6. Alfa Romeo 1m17.762s C5 1m18.062s 1m16.730s 7. Racing Point 1m19.664s C2 1m18.660s 1m17.332s 8. Toro Rosso 1m17.637s C5 1m17.973s 1m17.604s 9. McLaren 1m18.431s C4 1m18.431s 1m18.265s 10. Williams 1m20.997s C3 1m20.497s 1m19.165s Interesting to see Renault so far up here. McLaren and Williams again at the bottom. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 19:39:12 GMT
Mark Hughes has posted a good (insightful) article summarising the first week of testing, and giving his ranking of the Teams and their relative pace, so far. Typically, well worth a read. Whereas most of the other stuff I've seen is superficial. Yes I have read Mark’s piece, always interesting. Ferrari is leading the pact, that’s for sure and probably around three to five tenth. Next week it will be very interesting to see what Mercedes can do. They are having some issues but it’s Mercedes so they will do everything in their power to overcome those. And they have Lewis. Mark made an estimation what the relative times would be on the C3 tyre but Gary Anderson did a calculation adjusting tyres and fuel had they all run on the C4 tyre which looks like this: Pos Team Actual time Tyres Adjusted to C4 Adjusted for fuel/tyres 1. Ferrari 1m18.046s C3 1m17.546s 1m16.048s 2. Renault 1m17.393s C5 1m17.693s 1m16.361s 3. Mercedes 1m17.857s C5 1m18.157s 1m16.492s 4. Haas 1m18.563s C3 1m18.063s 1m16.565s 5. Red Bull 1m18.780s C3 1m18.280s 1m16.615s 6. Alfa Romeo 1m17.762s C5 1m18.062s 1m16.730s 7. Racing Point 1m19.664s C2 1m18.660s 1m17.332s 8. Toro Rosso 1m17.637s C5 1m17.973s 1m17.604s 9. McLaren 1m18.431s C4 1m18.431s 1m18.265s 10. Williams 1m20.997s C3 1m20.497s 1m19.165s Interesting to see Renault so far up here. McLaren and Williams again at the bottom. Thanks Rene, I listened to the Autosport podcast where Gary Anderson went through his observations and assessment. The view on Renault is just one of the significant differences between the two assessments. Anderson credits Haas and Racing Point with better pace than Hughes, but has McLaren at the back of the mid-field, whereas Hughes ranks them fractionally behind Renault and Alfa Romeo. I guess the most likley scenario is that both are wrong, but we don't where and by how much. The pace of development in F1 is such that by the end of testing next week a different picture will emerge, then by Melbourne it will be different again. As long as Ferrari remain at the front, with Mercedes closely clustered with two or three other teams, the prospects for next season will remain rosy and bright, if it turns out Mercedes have been hiding their pace, that brightness will dim to a dull shade of silver. |
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Post by Carl on Feb 24, 2019 5:43:17 GMT
Rather than spend millions for each tenth of a second gained, a bohemian motorsports enthusiast has proposed that teams demonstrate both speed and sponsor appeal with interpretive dance. Dances would need to be legal (if just barely) and would replace qualifying to decide grid positions. Teams with fast cars but clumsy dancers would start at the back, elevating excitement. Arguably, interpretive dance qualifying would contain costs and allow former grid girls renewed employment as exotic dancers. 
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Post by René on Feb 25, 2019 11:59:03 GMT
As long as Ferrari remain at the front, with Mercedes closely clustered with two or three other teams, the prospects for next season will remain rosy and bright, if it turns out Mercedes have been hiding their pace, that brightness will dim to a dull shade of silver. Exactly my thoughts. This week will probably show if Mercedes is hiding pace but I don't think they are. Their conventional front wing approach and no-rake design could be the wrong choice with the new rules... well, I hope so!  |
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Post by René on Feb 25, 2019 12:02:43 GMT
Rather than spend millions for each tenth of a second gained, a bohemian motorsports enthusiast has proposed that teams demonstrate both speed and sponsor appeal with interpretive dance. Dances would need to be legal (if just barely) and would replace qualifying to decide grid positions. Teams with fast cars but clumsy dancers would start at the back, elevating excitement. Arguably, interpretive dance qualifying would contain costs and allow former grid girls renewed employment as exotic dancers. Brilliant idea Carl! Maybe we could throw in a karaoke challenge for the drivers. That would at least give Kimi also a chance for pole!   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 18:19:04 GMT
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Post by mikael on Feb 26, 2019 0:49:54 GMT
Some top-F1 persons (e.g. Christian Horner and Helmut Marko) were very negative about the new 2019 rules during the winter, stating that they were a complete waste of time and money. But it seems that the introduction of the new rules was the right thing to do and that we can only be grateful for it. To cite Jenks' "A Story of Formula 1" (1960), p. 11, "It is an F.I.A. rule that the Formula, or list of regulations, for Grand Prix racing shall be changed every so often ..." [understood: in order to shake up the field]. Yes! This is how it should be! (And it's important to keep the history of the sport in mind, always.) There's an interesting article by Mark Hughes (!) on the official F1 homepage about the quite different interpretations of the new front wing design rules: www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.front-wings-the-differing-designs-of-mercedes-ferrari-and-the-rest-of-the.nZRjhVIjUYEjoHf2qiCuT.htmlI have borrowed the photo below from that page. (I hope this is OK ...) While we all here agree (I believe) on how interesting it was in the 70's when the F1-cars looked completely different (completely different approaches to the overall design), it's interesting to think about that they were, actually, all so far away from being optimal that the huge differences often only made a small difference on the track. Now, after 40 years of constant refinement and optimization, it's completely the opposite: the cars look almost the same -- simply because they are now all (nearly) optimal. And anything that is optimally designed is typically very sensitive to small design-changes. So now, a small change often makes a large difference on the track. I find it fascinating! P.S. Looking at the sponsor-names on the front wings, it's interesting to note that Ferrari use German Mahle pistons for their engines, while Mercedes make their own (at least according to the source listed below). (Source: www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8095&start=45 )  (Borrowed from |
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Post by chrisb on Feb 26, 2019 5:43:12 GMT
I'm afraid Christian and Marko will always complain unless they are winning and even then they will find something that they don't like, Racing Bull, racing bullsxxt - sorry did I say that? as if...
that is excellent Mikael, thanks mate, it really does say a great deal of what is good and not so good about modern F1, it is so close to perfection it is surreal - the not so good is also that and I miss the excitement of an innovative new design that I can easily identify, like ground effects or repositioning the radiators etc, or a huge turbo or two, that is unreliable to begin with and then you watch its development and wonder at its marvel, now these beasts are just so intricately designed and as Mark says the smallest change could have such an impact and I wonder has the series become simply too engineered? or maybe that is the point and I am missing it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 12:20:33 GMT
Officially confirmed now: Mick Schumacher joins Ferrari's young driver Academy. I think it's wonderful! Michael's son is a very likeable and talented young man and I believe he will do very well. Surely not another Lance, Bill! Go Mick, go! :quality(50)/cdn-kiosk-api.telegraaf.nl/39557c6a-1c01-11e9-afab-bb8a4d3ac2a9.jpg) I declare his name to be Lance Schumacher. |
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