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Post by René on Nov 22, 2018 19:48:07 GMT
This is obviously a really good story for formula 1 and great for Williams and Robert.....a real feel good story for once👍 I am concerned he’ll come back and only be mediocre though....he was right and the apex before and I do hope he will be again, but I’m really not sure he will be..... Is this a Williams resurgence? I hope so. Agree very much Jamie. It's a wonderful story but is he still as good as he once was? I also have my doubts. But even so, it is a magnificent story and what an achievement regardless if he's competitive or not. Go Robert go!  |
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Post by Carl on Nov 22, 2018 21:34:42 GMT
This is obviously a really good story for formula 1 and great for Williams and Robert.....a real feel good story for once👍 I am concerned he’ll come back and only be mediocre though....he was right and the apex before and I do hope he will be again, but I’m really not sure he will be..... Is this a Williams resurgence? I hope so. Agree very much Jamie. It's a wonderful story but is he still as good as he once was? I also have my doubts. But even so, it is a magnificent story and what an achievement regardless if he's competitive or not. Go Robert go! It's doubtful Williams can recreate the miraculous Birth of Venus. At best, it will come to shore with dry clothes to wear. Robert Kubica doing well would thrill millions, but his playing field will likely be within the team against the very fast George Russell. If he can be consistently faster than his young teammate, Robert will have good reason to be very proud. Some have wondered about what he may have brought to the team to sweeten the deal; the answer may be in Claire Williams' usual expression next season. If it's a smile, we'll know... 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 3:30:56 GMT
Agree very much Jamie. It's a wonderful story but is he still as good as he once was? I also have my doubts. But even so, it is a magnificent story and what an achievement regardless if he's competitive or not. Go Robert go! It's doubtful Williams can recreate the miraculous Birth of Venus. At best, it will come to shore with dry clothes to wear. Robert Kubica doing well would thrill millions, but his playing field will likely be within the team against the very fast George Russell. If he can be consistently faster than his young teammate, Robert will have good reason to be very proud. Some have wondered about what he may have brought to the team to sweeten the deal; the answer may be in Claire Williams' usual expression next season. If it's a smile, we'll know...
Yes yes, but clearly nothing matters René and Carl except the blinkin' 2019 qual score prediction, head-to-head, Kubica v Russell! What are your wayward and uninformed predictions, gentlemen??  Here is the accurate prediction, for it is mine: 12-9 Kubica. I think we'll soon be learning that Kubica will have lost none of his pace, but also that Russell is a very promising chap. However, shades of Schuey linger... I seem to remember predicting Michael would pummel Rosberg on his return and I was soon proven profoundly wrong. Sometimes I AM wrong. Just not very often. 12-9 Kubica. |
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Post by mikael on Nov 23, 2018 6:32:13 GMT
I wonder how functional his right arm is. Even after almost 8 years of rehabilitation it continues to look quite `skimpy'.
(But considering that the arm was almost severed ... it's amazing how far the medical sciences have come.)
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Post by chrisb on Nov 23, 2018 7:03:58 GMT
Bill, of all the teams, save maybe Ferrari the Williams scenario feels it is the 'great unknown', we know Robert has done some reasonable tests, we know Norris has, we don't know how either will fare in a full race, but in answer to the qualifying question I would see Robert having the edge over the season but only just, so I would be going 11-10 to Robert in Qualifying, which leads to race results, I am going for 14-7 in Roberts favour, mainly because of his astuteness and experience but I am going for Norris in fastest laps 12-9
Mikael, yes I noticed that and wonder just how much strength is available for Robert.
Going back to Mark's article, he also heaps praise on Sirotkin and feels it will be a shame if he isn't in F1, have we been too harsh on the young man? Maybe he will end up in Torro Rosso for 2020?
so, Rene for 2019 how about we could consider looking at the triple prediction? no, not the UK sinking into an abyss, that's already happening, but predictions as to who is quickest in qualifying, who is the race winner and who sets the fastest lap with a special award for the season winner?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 11:09:24 GMT
You mean Russell, OK. 11-10 in qual, 14-7 races. If Kubica actually does that, he will have done well.
As for Norris, I think Sainz will smack him. Again, Norris seems to have potential. But Sainz has the experience. I would be looking at 14-7 in Carlos' favour.
Regarding predictions, I think we should keep it simpler - qualifying only, and the interesting battles only.
Interesting battles = VET v LEC, KUB v RUS, RIC v HUL. I consider the other battles uninteresting.
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Post by René on Nov 23, 2018 15:46:39 GMT
You mean Russell, OK. 11-10 in qual, 14-7 races. If Kubica actually does that, he will have done well. As for Norris, I think Sainz will smack him. Again, Norris seems to have potential. But Sainz has the experience. I would be looking at 14-7 in Carlos' favour. Regarding predictions, I think we should keep it simpler - qualifying only, and the interesting battles only. Interesting battles = VET v LEC, KUB v RUS, RIC v HUL. I consider the other battles uninteresting. OK, I'll bite. VET v LEC: 12-9 This is actually quite close so Charles will have done very well. Vettel may have made mistakes this season but he has lost nothing of his speed. He is still one of the fastest drivers on the grid. It will be Seb's experience that will be decisive here. KUB v RUS: 2-19 I hope the numbers will be more in favour of Robert but based on the driving he has done so far I am just not convinced. I hope I am wrong. And if, if Robert beats George on a regular basis that would be bad news for Russell. Russell should beat Kubica if he is to make an impression that will bring him further.
RIC v HUL: 13-8 I think Danny will start very strong with a few surprise results that will wake up Nico and force him to up his game which he will. Mid season will be good for Nico, sometimes even beating Danny Ric, but the Aussie will take command again in the last part of the season. This is of course just wild guessing as I have no idea but I think Danny is better than Nico.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 20:58:06 GMT
I respect those predictions René even though I agree with only one of them.
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton, Valtteri Bottas 15-6 HAM*
Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel, Charles Leclerc 16-5 VET
Red Bull-Honda: Max Verstappen, Pierre Gasly 18-3 VER
Renault: Daniel Ricciardo, Nico Hulkenberg 13-8 RIC
Haas-Ferrari: Kevin Magnussen, Romain Grosjean 11-10 MAG
McLaren-Renault: Carlos Sainz Jr, Lando Norris 16-5 SAI
Force India-Mercedes: Sergio Perez, Lance Stroll 19-2 PER
Sauber-Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen, Antonio Giovinazzi 17-4 RAI
Toro Rosso-Honda: Daniil Kvyat, Alexander Albon 13-8 KVY
Williams-Mercedes: Robert Kubica, George Russell 14-7 KUB
VET v LEC 16-5 VET: Leclerc will have a learning year and will be 'learned' by a resurgent Vettel. He will support Vettel on the way to the German's fifth title.
KUB v RUS 14-7 KUB: Kubica will find all of the pace he had before.
RIC v HUL 13-8 RIC: Fully agree with your discourse and prediction.
Shame we have so many enlightened F1 observers here and all of them bar two seem to be avoiding this prediction game. At least we have some balls, eh René?
*BOT to Formula E in 2020
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Post by René on Nov 23, 2018 21:24:02 GMT
VET v LEC 16-5 VET: Leclerc will have a learning year and will be 'learned' by a resurgent Vettel. He will support Vettel on the way to the German's fifth title. Shame we have so many enlightened F1 observers here and all of them bar two seem to be avoiding this prediction game. At least we have some balls, eh René? *BOT to Formula E in 2020 Agree fully with your prediction that Vettel will win the 2019 title and he will do it in a very convincing way! I do think it will be closer between Seb and Charles though. A very good Ferrari year 2019 will be. Haha, we have balls Bill, no argueing there.  I am sure a few more will join in the fun though. Yes, Valtteri is a typical FE type of guy.  Re. your other predictions, I will get back to you on those... |
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2018 4:31:35 GMT
The last motorsport prediction I made involved real money at a casino, 16 to 1 that Al Unser Jr. would win that year's Indy 500. He won the following year and kept the money. When slot machines were programmed to laugh at my approach, I abandoned hunches and games of chance, but remain impressed by those with a better understanding of the odds.
In a short scene in "You Can't Cheat An Honest Man",
a rube approaches W. C. Fields at a card table... Rube: "Is this a game of chance?" Fields: "Not the way I play it. No." 
Nonetheless, I say it will be Robert Kubica 12 to 9 over George Russell, Daniel Ricciardo 15 to 6 over a late resurgent Nico Hülkenberg and a surprise podium for Vladimir Putin at Sochi. If Charles Leclerc seriously challenges Sebastian Vettel, all pretense of teamwork will dissolve. Vettel has shown he does not like real competition from a teammate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 5:31:27 GMT
So Carl, I'm going to assume something around 14-7 VET v LEC in Seb's favour? Sound about right? Or are you more a René-esque 12-9? Or will you be scuttling down to my end of the card table at 16-5 to Seb?
Leclerc has been impressive but surely nobody can expect him to out-qualify Sebastian Vettel in any of the first five races?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 6:53:14 GMT
This is obviously a really good story for formula 1 and great for Williams and Robert.....a real feel good story for once👍 I am concerned he’ll come back and only be mediocre though....he was right and the apex before and I do hope he will be again, but I’m really not sure he will be..... Is this a Williams resurgence? I hope so. If the Williams 2019 car is as bad as the 2018 one, its likely he'll be written off. Particularly if the 2019 RP Force India is another good car, and Stroll outscores the Williams drivers. But, if Williams can produce a competitve car, and are back up to par with RPFI, or better, Kubica and Russell will be hero's. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 7:06:18 GMT
I wonder how functional his right arm is. Even after almost 8 years of rehabilitation it continues to look quite `skimpy'. (But considering that the arm was almost severed ... it's amazing how far the medical sciences have come.) Did you see the coverage of Kubica's driving in FP1? He uses his left hand mostly for control, but improvises very neatly with his right when a lot of lock is required or the left is required for making adjustments on the steering wheel. As an aside, he was 1.5 sec off the pace of Stroll, and in FP2 Sirotkin was 0.9sec off Stroll. Hummmmm |
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Post by charleselan on Nov 24, 2018 12:44:18 GMT
With respect of all these suppositions and predictions for 2019 I think we should all take careful consideration of the small nuances that have been put forward over the past few weeks. Last week Sebastian was going to great pains to stress that Charles and he should work together next year; that is fine in its simplest of forms however it could also be construed that he was getting a bit jumpy and knew he was in for trouble with the young Monegasque driver. Earlier this week it was reported that Lewis Hamilton had stressed that he was going to have to "up his game" next season to deal with Max and Charles. I do not think that those are the words of the Hamilton of old where he was trying to play mind games with opponents. I believe that Lewis is painfully aware of the fact that these two are the ones who are going to present him with the biggest challenge. Sebastian is very quick in a car that is set up to his distinct driving style which I believe needs great rear end grip. Charles Leclerc is very Prost like in my opinion, super smooth; deceptively quick and extremely clean in all that he does. I stand by my earlier prediction; he will be WC in 2019 if Ferrari produce a good car and get the team management sorted out. Robert Kubica's story is just astonishing as the guy should not be able to drive competitively at all, let alone in F1. Yes, he has brought a substantial amount of cash to Williams, something that Sirotkin could no longer do. However it has been mentioned on various sites this week that Williams have lots of data regarding his time in this years car, and it appears that when it is all balanced out he was way better than both of this years incumbents. "Fake News" maybe; maybe not! George Russell has huge potential from what I have seen of him in F2 this year, and has to use Bill's favoured expression, "smashed" Norris. Excusers have tried to make out that has been because Russell is older; total rubbish, age has nothing to do with talent, Power Point presentations or not! I think Sainz Jnr will handle Norris, and then Alonso will return  . |
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Post by Carl on Nov 24, 2018 22:14:11 GMT
So Carl, I'm going to assume something around 14-7 VET v LEC in Seb's favour? Sound about right? Or are you more a René-esque 12-9? Or will you be scuttling down to my end of the card table at 16-5 to Seb? Leclerc has been impressive but surely nobody can expect him to out-qualify Sebastian Vettel in any of the first five races? I predict Vettel will outqualify Leclerc 14 to 7, either by pace alone or assisted by the many small preferences as number one driver.
I don't think any young driver will be given equal treatment against a still formidable 4-time champion craving a 5th. Leclerc will have to outdo Vettel over and over to be co-number one.
I'd like Daniel Ricciardo once more to frustrate Vettel, who most likely will get his 5th championship and Leclerc his first in 2020. Poor Daniel may be always the bridesmaid third in line from the bride.
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