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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 2:56:17 GMT
Absolutely delighted to see a black and true working-class man achieve it like this, with skill and full merit over the years.
A great Briton, not an “Anglo-Saxon” – whatever that means - as any black South African could testify. More power to him for this.
Enjoy your forum of “Anglo-Saxons”.
All the best to the good guys here.
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Post by Carl on Oct 29, 2018 4:51:27 GMT
Absolutely delighted to see a black and true working-class man achieve it like this, with skill and full merit over the years. A great Briton, not an “Anglo-Saxon” – whatever that means - as any black South African could testify. More power to him for this. Enjoy your forum of “Anglo-Saxons”. All the best to the good guys here. If this means good riddance to irrational grievance and petty discord, that ain't bad.
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Post by Carl on Oct 29, 2018 6:43:43 GMT
The Mexican crowd would cheer wildly for any Mexican driver and it's a shame Sergio Perez is all they have instead of someone as brilliant as Pedro Rodriguez. When Perez dropped out, the animated grandstands were still and hushed except for the small pockets of Mercedes/Ferrari/Red Bull enthusiasts.
David Croft excitedly proclaimed during an early lap, "Esteban Ocon locks up and so does his teammate, Sergio Perez!!" when only Perez had done so, compounding his mistake and hoping no-one would notice. I did and so did my DVR.
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” ~ Plato
Of all those with no complaints, Lewis Hamilton complained the most and was soothed by his engineer. I miss the days when drivers just got on with it like adults.
It was nonetheless an exciting race with good passing throughout the field.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 29, 2018 7:05:27 GMT
An intriguing and intense race rather than exciting. Well done to Lewis Hamilton for achieving five world championships. A magnificent effort to sustain the motivation for so long. I thought he was very humble in his victory and the moment between him and Seb was magic.
Congratulations to Seb and Ferrari for pushing Mercedes as long as they did. It took Schumacher five years to win a championship for Ferrari so if Seb does it next year he is on schedule. It is sad that Ferrari's political infighting after Marchionne's death seems to have messed up their title hopes. Mark Hughes covers this very well in the November issue of Motorsport magazine.
Well done to Max, a mature drive indeed and a well deserved victory. He will be a real challenge to beat in future years.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 29, 2018 7:09:46 GMT
Absolutely delighted to see a black and true working-class man achieve it like this, with skill and full merit over the years. A great Briton, not an “Anglo-Saxon” – whatever that means - as any black South African could testify. More power to him for this. Enjoy your forum of “Anglo-Saxons”. All the best to the good guys here. Lucio I hope this means you are leaving this forum because your childish outbursts are becoming very tiring. You are the one who first used the term Anglo Saxons in a derogatory way on this forum not us. The good guys remain here. They are far more balanced than you and don't make unfounded assumptions on people's racial outlook.
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Post by chrisb on Oct 29, 2018 8:07:18 GMT
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” ~ Plato, that surely is one of the soundest statements I have read- and one for my little box of inspirational quotes
I listened to the race on the radio - which wasn't easy to follow - aside from Max who seemed to drive a very good race and Danny who was very unfortunate, the whingeing was expected as I bet Lewis's anxiety levels were bouncing around like an inflated castle in a high wind, so I didn't mind that, I haven't actually seen the race so don't know what happened to Danny's start or Ocon's incident with the Hulk. Nice to read that Lewis and Seb were good with each other post-race.
I did wonder how Lewis's Father felt after the 5th championship, all those sacrifices and determination for his son to join the elite came at such a cost to you, I hope you drew an awful lot of pride for your efforts. Irrespective of the advantage the Merc has over everyone else, that is some achievement.
Lucio, I have been puzzled by your defensive attitude for some time, initially putting it down to your working away from home and stress that carries, certainly, you came across very well with Jamie, but your assumptions and verbal assaults have left me perplexed. If that is a goodbye Lucio I wish you well - and I would add that I am of mixed ancestry as are my family who are of Nigerian birth and I firmly believe in the person not the prejudice.
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Post by mikael on Oct 29, 2018 11:00:18 GMT
I am, honestly, sincerely delighted that Hamilton clinched this Championship, his fifth. He has been outstanding this year.
In the World Constructors Championship, Mercedes is leading Ferrari by 55 points. A one-two is worth 25 + 18 = 43 points, so with two races to go, this championship is still open. It will be interesting to see how Mercedes and Ferrari will "fight it out". From a team-economy / team-budget point-of-view, perhaps the WCC is even more important than the WDC (?) If so, there's still a good deal to look forward to.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 29, 2018 14:20:22 GMT
There has been a certain discord around the table for some time, which for me as a founder member was troubling. Everyone here is a member by invitation and that is what makes RRT so special. No one expects there to be agreement on every subject raised, we all have our views and values and that must be respected, without repeated and belligerent need to emphasise ones point of view.
The members here are not about racism or any other prejudice, if you hold those views then it is best to "toddle off". Everyone is of mixed background of some sort or other; Lewis Hamilton for instance is not exclusively black he is actually of mixed race as he has a white blonde haired mother, of Anglo Saxon heritage.
In mentioning Lewis, many congratulations to him on a superb season, and I might add it is a pleasure to see him give post race interviews that reflect a mature man, long may that continue and the respect that will bring him. Max was a factor, and a pretty mighty one at that, but it has to be said that the results were very much car dependant. Kimi wasn't super fast this weekend but the old dog defied all thoughts by making his tyres last where others could not.
Thanks to yet another weekend with serious internet problems thanks to my provider screwing things up yet again, I had to resort to watching the UK C4 Highlights package which did not finish until 2.00am French time. Could have been easily wrapped up in a one hour program but we were treated to valuable time being wasted having to listen to a laborious build which is unnecessary in an highlights program, plus a huge amount of time in eulogising about Lewis Hamilton. Even the gross grid walk was included when all an enthusiast wishes for is some bloody action.
Result a very late night, and a very bad mood today!
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 29, 2018 14:50:00 GMT
Good view on Lewis' mature approach to his interviews after the race, Charles. To me the proper Lewis is appearing. One who loves his sport and the racing yet speaks with gravitas. Interestingly enough there was a debate on S*y during one of the free practice sessions about what it was about Lewis that had people loving him or hating him. One of the things mentioned was whether Lewis was being judged in his own right as a person or on how people perceived a young lad from Stevenage should behave. Not having stayed in the UK for longer than three weeks at a time, nor ever having visited Stevenage, I cannot really comment about the latter, though from the comments I guess it is not Richmond in Surrey where all the stockbrokers live. To me it doesn't matter where he came from. He like the rest of us loves motor racing and is extremely good at it. That is coming through and that was the final opinion from the discussion.
I will enjoy the last two races as I think everybody will be free of the championship albatross and some free spirited driving can take place. I think next year will be excellent.
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Post by Carl on Oct 29, 2018 16:40:08 GMT
I was an early and enthusiastic supporter of Hamilton, but grew tired of his increasing self-fascination. He has always been a superb driver and if he is now grown up, good. Some juvenile phases are longer than others. Formula One has changed as corporate money now dominates. Enthusiasts and ordinary spectators are treated as unwelcome intruders to the parade of "beautiful people". I have never cared what any celebrity thinks and it's a damn shame that they enjoy the access once extended to the unwashed commoners. To me the drivers' championship is the only important one, but because manufacturers now essentially control the sport, the importance of their championship has increased. Drivers being told to yield position for the good of a corporation is the antithesis of what the sport should be.
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Post by René on Oct 29, 2018 17:02:52 GMT
I enjoyed the race very much. Two good races in a row, wow! My young countryman was on a roll again. I always like that when a new guy is challenging the king. And the king(s) know it. Lewis knows, Seb knows. Max will push them of their throne sooner than later. The only big question mark for next year is Honda but we'll see.
Big congrats to Lewis, well deserved and seeing Seb congratulate Lewis was class. You could see it was hard for Sebastian and Lewis aknowledged that. Class act by both of them, also how Lewis thanked his entire team. Of course he did but it was still great to see.
A shame for Danny, you really feel for the guy. I really hope for him that Renault makes a serious step. A championship challenge will not be realistic but podiums now and then would be great.
Back to Max. A shame he missed pole. Fastest is all sessions, except for the last one! That was hard to swallow but his car was not perfect so his driving was still phenomenal. The boy has grown so much and is knocking on Lewis's and Seb's door. "This guy" as Lewis used to call him not so long ago. He knows who "this guy" is now!
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 29, 2018 17:06:46 GMT
Carl, like you I also think the Driver's Championship is the more important one and the constructors championship a sort of distant third place but with second place status if that makes sense. The only time I have paid attention to the constructors championship was when a Ferrari driver nearly won the drivers championship but failed and Ferrari got the constructors. A sort of consolation prize. I recall that the constructors championship was started in 1958 but apart from the obvious years I would struggle to name the winners, yet I can name every single WDC and the year and often runner up. I bet if they did a survey they would probably find that the vast majority of followers think the same. It really is an in house thing to me.
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Post by chrisb on Oct 29, 2018 22:07:45 GMT
Stevenage I seem to remember was another 'new town' ala Milton Keynes but without the plastic cows, which were so bizarre, surreal really, but a hoot, definitely not stockbroker territory and whilst not humble nor mining country I don't think it was affluent either, long time since I was there so memory is rather vague. I just seem to remember an awful lot of concrete.
What I did read is Lewis's tribute to his family - especially his Dad, who was not always the easiest person to have around but my word determined and his faith in his son was unbelievable and unbeatable. I think every child, irrespective of age would look at Lewis's Father with a lot of respect for his efforts.
Rene, one of the questions that keeps coming back to me is the likes Max and Marquez, will they sustain their early brilliance? I look at Kimi and Rossi - both nearly 40 and still capable of mixing it, but will today's stars have the same resilience? perhaps time is the only measure of that, but I wonder.
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Post by René on Oct 29, 2018 22:29:11 GMT
Rene, one of the questions that keeps coming back to me is the likes Max and Marquez, will they sustain their early brilliance? I look at Kimi and Rossi - both nearly 40 and still capable of mixing it, but will today's stars have the same resilience? perhaps time is the only measure of that, but I wonder. Chris, don't know. Do you mean their candle burns too fast? But by the time they are 30, they've probably broken all the records. Max was of course extremely young when he came in F1 so maybe he will retire 'early'. On the other hand, he doesn't know anything else so maybe he'll continue into his 50's and win ten titles! Time will tell... PS One more post Chris and you're a God!
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Post by Jamie on Oct 30, 2018 7:25:59 GMT
Just a quick one from me as we’re currently away but it was great to see Lewis wrap up the title here; a thiroughly deserved championship, probably his best.
And in agreement with your comments, I thought Lewis was a class act after the race, humble and proud. The interaction with Seb was excellent, I like Sebastian and it must of been a tough moment for him, especially with DC’s goading, he showed his humility and class in that moment.....they both did, brilliant.
I am lucky enough to have witnessed Lewis in his very early karting days and it’s true that when he started he was just like the others, no privilege here. In fact one of the best moments of the weekend was when Lewis mentioned Nicky Richardson in one of the post race interviews.......Nicky was one of the top cadet karters around when Lewis was in the category and it was great to hear him reference that time....they had many battles at Rye House (the kart track in my home town of Hoddesdon) and I remember them well, Lewis has always been good about celebrating his karting achievements. As an aside, Stevenage is very well known to me as it’s only about 15 miles (as the crow flies) from where I currently live. As Chris said, it’s a typical new town, a concrete jungle and not exactly stockbroker belt........it’s hardly the bronx either though, just a typical town full of normal people.
Must mention Max as well....quite superb from the young Dutchman. I’m sure this guy will go on to become the first Dutch world champion, absolutely no doubt about it.
Anyway, I’m currently at the Hotel De France in a fantastic suite that, in the past, has hosted John and Jackie Kennedy and Steve McQueen no less! The suite is named after JP Jaussaud (all the rooms are named for racing drivers) and it’s mana from heaven for racing types such as ourselves. Pictures to follow when I get back.
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