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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 12:08:06 GMT
Rob, Chris, Brooklands is not more than ten minutes from my door, go there every weekend for shopping (a Tesco and a Marks&Spencer, had an accident with my car while parking in the supermarket car park last July), although we prefer Sainsbury's at Cobham (where last year the day before Murray played his quarter-final at Wimbledon I saw his wife with his little daughter doing shopping).
House prices there are very high indeed. We have close Scottish friends in Sterling who own what I would call a "villa", big and garden all around, they paid for it a pittance - in South East terms - £250k. In Surrey I reckon £3m wouldn't be enough for that. Madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 12:26:17 GMT
As Mikael says, Mclaren have now had all three engines - except Ferrari's - on their cars. However, what is clear is that, for different reasons and with different management personnel, they haven't been able to hold on, let alone build a relationship and become more than simple "customer team" with two major manufacturers like Mercedes first, then Honda. The company's shuttle vans to Woking rail station are still all Mercedes, painted black, but they had painted on their side the F1 car with the name of Mercedes, which disappeared when they separated from Mercedes. I think Renault is a short-termism while the new engine formula after 2020 is defined. However, I am not sure they will have the pull, as things stand, to make a deal with another major car manufacturer. It is possible or it can be envisaged that McLaren will get absorbed by a manufacturer in due course, otherwise their future as F1 team at the moment looks bleak. It also clear that the success they have had in the road cars business, has been entirely in parallel with the demise of the once mighty racing team. They let the ball drop in F1.
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Post by René on Jun 23, 2018 15:16:17 GMT
Charles Leclerc! C'est magnifique!
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Post by charleselan on Jun 23, 2018 17:12:08 GMT
Charles Leclerc! C'est magnifiqueR I think that performance could well have sealed the second seat at Ferrari, René. Which could in very short order become the number one seat, that lad is something special.
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Post by René on Jun 23, 2018 17:54:31 GMT
Charles Leclerc! C'est magnifique! I was very, very impressed by that performance. The sign of a special talent as is always the case with the great drivers. And in an interview afterwards with Dutch tele he was also very good. Eloquent and polite and of course super happy. Sign him up Ferrari!
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Post by charleselan on Jun 23, 2018 18:28:14 GMT
Charles Leclerc! C'est magnifique! I was very, very impressed by that performance. The sign of a special talent as is always the case with the great drivers. And in an interview afterwards with Dutch tele he was also very good. Eloquent and polite and of course super happy. Sign him up Ferrari! Thumbs Up to that!! A shame to see how Kimi is fading away, even though he does have the pace, just seems to fall apart when it matters. Also good to see Sauber Alfa Romeo really coming good, seems like they have an excellent leader and now a star driver .
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Post by René on Jun 23, 2018 22:29:58 GMT
I was very, very impressed by that performance. The sign of a special talent as is always the case with the great drivers. And in an interview afterwards with Dutch tele he was also very good. Eloquent and polite and of course super happy. Sign him up Ferrari! Thumbs Up to that!! A shame to see how Kimi is fading away, even though he does have the pace, just seems to fall apart when it matters. Also good to see Sauber Alfa Romeo really coming good, seems like they have an excellent leader and now a star driver . I agree about Kimi, it is a shame. He was never the most consistent driver, he always had these weekends were he was invisible, but he could also be brilliant. But 4 seasons with Ferrari without a win is just not good enough. He has these flashes of speed sometimes but as you say, when it matters he fades. Charles is the future. He could be really special.
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Post by Carl on Jun 23, 2018 22:44:17 GMT
Several around our table have pointed out that the essential importance of knowledge rests on how it's perceived and utilized.
Early in 1940, the French knew the Germans were planning to invade, and their perception of the impregnable Maginot Line was as tone deaf as McLaren's perception of its incomparable chassis.
Ron Dennis succeeded in marshaling corporate money to outspend Ferrari, but in other ways his conceits led him to grandiose mistakes.
After losing direction at the top, it's a shame how far McLaren and Williams have both fallen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 3:31:52 GMT
Beside Leclerc, Sauber changed the technical director with Simone Resta - Ferrari's chassis designer this and last year - who moved over to Sauber earlier this season. It seems Marchionne's promise to help Sauber has been kept, results are showing.
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Post by chrisb on Jun 24, 2018 6:41:34 GMT
it is so good to see F1 back in it's spiritual home so to speak, and Liberty I glean are keen to sign up the 'classic' circuits for long term deals that makes them a wee profit, not a huge loss, which sounds great and I so want to get excited, uhh
there are even some drivers that are exciting and the future looks promising and i so want to get enthusiastic - durn it
then i watch the highlights, which is all i am going to get to see unless we get 'liberated' from Murdoch's minions, the moronic - jovial- boys brigade pails into turgid drivel, I'm sorry I'm sure you are a very nice chap but give me Lee everytime - profesisonal, insightful and not trying to be a 'lad' a real journalist with excellent credentials, and then I see the cars - and again I am reminded of the folly of F1, and then i look at the banner image, maybe i'll just listen to it on the radio and watch a historic race on utub
Lucio, i know, these house prices are insane, how one starts on the ladder now is beyond me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 9:27:11 GMT
About Ricciardo and his possible moves in the driver's market, few things came to mind in the last few days.
One - it seems he has indeed an offer from McLaren, which can only mean Alonso is leaving at the end of the season, presumably for the US.
Two - if the rumours about Newey tempted by Renault are true and possibly materialize, then Ricciardo might be on to something there!
Three - the Italian press reported that Marchionne and Arrivabene were allegedly keen on Ricciardo, but too expensive. Which sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
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Post by René on Jun 24, 2018 9:52:12 GMT
Beside Leclerc, Sauber changed the technical director with Simone Resta - Ferrari's chassis designer this and last year - who moved over to Sauber earlier this season. It seems Marchionne's promise to help Sauber has been kept, results are showing. Yep, the team is clearly on the way up which is great. When he (Marchionne) made the decision to do the Alfa Romeo branding he knew he had to bring the team further up the grid, otherwise the branding would be counterproductive. Let some knowledge trickle down from Maranello to Hinwill so to speak. Leclerc is a bonus. It was obvious he was special in F2 but the jump to F1 is big and some talents fail. But Charles is clearly special and the difference between him and Ericsson is huge already. Pure class.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 23:26:05 GMT
Once again, if he can't start ahead and have a clear car advantage, it seems Vettel is not capable to carve out a result. He is not in Lauda's league, not by a country mile. Get Hamilton, while he's out of contract.
This is the second year Ferrari have overall the better car, and they are still trailing.
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Post by Carl on Jun 25, 2018 0:03:56 GMT
Vettel was either feeling desperate or entitled at the start. He had no reason to assume Bottas would stay out of his way and not outbrake his Ferrari, although arrogance could explain it.
Red mist my ass, it's toddler behavior.
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Post by mikael on Jun 25, 2018 1:18:25 GMT
On another note, it's disturbing how much these large runoff areas spoil the original atmosphere. They give the impression of a track laid out on a large parking area (à la Caesars Palace, Las Vegas) and merely outlined by paint. Hopefully the remaining traditional racetracks, like Spa and Suzuka, will be allowed to live on as they are.
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