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Post by Carl on May 14, 2018 6:57:35 GMT
what was Grojean doing? aside from taking out two other drivers and he is putting himself forward as a Ferrari driver? I am sorry but it was even boring on the radio, good drive by the Merc boys but the rest of it just passed me by , which is more than can be said for anybody doing this in the race, it is a nice circuit but for motorbikes not these things and now Monaco, Carl, brilliant, now working on that theory, as part of my heritage is Scottish and German, gosh i'm confused Chris, I have a feeling Grosjean sees his chances dwindling and is desperate for results. He seems to have reverted to his 2012 antics. It would have been understandable if he hadn't kept his foot in the throttle and powered sideways across the track spewing clouds of tyre smoke. How to avoid confusion as a Celtic / German: 1. Drink abundantly 2. Assault redundantly 3. Deny incredibly Cheers, Carl
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Post by robmarsh on May 14, 2018 6:58:13 GMT
If the run off where Grosjean spun had been gravel instead of the dreaded tarmac then only he would have been out of the race instead of three cars. Sometimes safety solutions have unforseen results. I do hope the halo doesn't turn out the same.
The race itself was boring as hell. Pirelli still seem to bring tyre combinations and compounds that make a one stop race inevitable. It is almost certain now that every race will have a safety car so marginal two stop vs one stop races are becoming a thing of the past.
I am glad that Spain is out of the way as I can count the exciting races there, going back to 1970, on the fingers of one hand. I always look forward to Monaco as the photography and views of the cars is always impressive and due to the confined nature of the track an upset is always possible.
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Post by mikael on May 14, 2018 7:49:45 GMT
what was Grojean doing? aside from taking out two other drivers and he is putting himself forward as a Ferrari driver?
Yes, five pointless races out of five - in a very good car -- it's beginning to look a bit critical ... Lucky for him there's so many races in a season now, but five out of 21 is already quite a significant part (1/4, almost).
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Post by René on May 14, 2018 11:55:15 GMT
I saw a very exciting race! It was yesterday on the road course at Indianapolis Motor Speedway and was essentially a contest between drivers. I saw a boring one today... Once the race had sorted itself at about one-third distance, the announcers' focus of attention was entirely on tyre and pit stop strategy, the drivers suddenly secondary to team computer algorithms. I almost turned it off twice, and should have. Drivers cannot maintain close position behind the car in front because aerodynamic genius is worshiped (never mind its impact). The artifice of drag reduction no longer excites, so the focus of interest naturally had to change. And it settled on the fascinating tyre and pit strategy controlled by computers. The brave new world of Formula One showcases semi-autonomous race cars almost as boring as Formula E. Agreed Carl. I also watched the Indycar race and it was very good. The cars look 'racy' and the competition was fierce. A rare mistake by Newgarden but a good win for Power. Robert Wickens is an exciting new driver in Indycar. It's good racing. _ The F1 race was disappointing. I was really hoping for more but Pirelli is having too much influence on the competitive order. The Barcelona track is boring and modern aero makes it even worse. It wasn't good but Monaco and Montreal should really be better (...). Romain... it was not only his car that was spinning but also his mind! He will never go to a top team I'm afraid. He has the speed but not the consistency. Good for Max to have a solid result and Leclerc showed his talent once again.
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Post by charleselan on May 14, 2018 15:55:45 GMT
I ended up watching the UK C4 "lowlights" because my former girlfriend who I am staying with in the Uk for few days wished to watch it. Only myself to blame there as it was I who introduced her to the sport anyway . Before hand I knew that the event would be boring as the circuit is just that, when used by cars, a terrible place; to say that it makes Jarama look good is saying something. The best bit was reading the MS Forum comments afterwards and seeing our one time Canadian friend, who does not wish to join us here, letting rip with his conspiracy theories. I have to say he does have a point especially if one is predisposed to not trusting large organisations. On the face of it the Grosjean incident looked very bad, however he did try to explain his reasoning for doing what he did and one can see his point in that he did not wish to be sat facing the high speed oncoming cars. The results of which could have been far worse than what transpired and might have tested the integrity of the "toilet seat" to its fullest. However I side with Rob in his theory that had there been a gravel trap it would not have happened at all. Quite a a few retirements but sadly only Kimi of the front runners, and that was what was needed to spice the race up, if that could be achieved at all in the first place. The gap between the front three and the "rest" is massive and unacceptable; look at MotoGP and the idiots in charge might get somewhere. Young Leclerc was very impressive once again, and he and Pierre Gasly are the future for France, something that must be rattling Romain and maybe Ocon as well. What can one say about Williams; if that overly rich Canadian would see some common sense and bench his talentless offspring and put Kubica in the car some progress might be made. Many little rich boys have made their way into F1, but very few have cut the mustard, talent doesn't come from a silver spoon. Tyres made the result in this meeting and that is not what I watch racing for, a tyre war with different manufacturers is what is needed then we might have a bit of fun even with the hideous "toilet seat"; truck like vehicles and ridiculous aero packages.
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Post by René on May 14, 2018 17:29:39 GMT
I am pleased to read an F1 race analysis by you JC and a good one too! And I agree with your conclusion; F1 needs a tyre war! Unfortunately Michelin does not want to make F1 balloon style tyres anymore. Would love to see Michelin and Ferrari team up again.
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Post by charleselan on May 14, 2018 18:29:25 GMT
I am pleased to read an F1 race analysis by you JC and a good one too! And I agree with your conclusion; F1 needs a tyre war! Unfortunately Michelin does not want to make F1 balloon style tyres anymore. Would love to see Michelin and Ferrari team up again. Yes, a tyre war would do the trick. A shame that Michelin wish for large diameter wheels with low profile rubber which wouldn't look right on a single seater; mind you nothing else does today either, so lets go for it . I am pleased you liked my review René, I really do try to be positive. Should have added that Kevin Magnussen is also having a pretty good season also, and that must be stressing Romain a bit as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 19:42:38 GMT
Happy to report that I haven't watched not even a second of the race. I feel great just the same.
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Post by René on May 14, 2018 22:02:16 GMT
I really do try to be positive. I know you do and last sundays bore fest doesn't make it any easier also, not even for me! But watching it with an ex girlfriend maybe did..
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Post by Carl on May 15, 2018 4:16:09 GMT
Before hand I knew that the event would be boring as the circuit is just that, when used by cars, a terrible place; to say that it makes Jarama look good is saying something. The best bit was reading the MS Forum comments afterwards and seeing our one time Canadian friend, who does not wish to join us here, letting rip with his conspiracy theories. I have to say he does have a point especially if one is predisposed to not trusting large organisations. Our Canadian friend sometimes demonstrates the limits of too much information.
A source in Ontario tells me his hatred for Lance Stroll may involve eyebrow envy. I wonder what he thinks of Nigel Mansell...
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Post by chrisb on May 15, 2018 4:46:12 GMT
excellent report JC, I have read Mark's review and enjoyed that more than the race, it certainly felt more exciting, but the comments and now that both Mark and Mat have responded to some prejudicial stupidity rather assertively and that is a welcome, it is so tedious to read some of the moronic comments and keyboard wimps [they are not warriors, they are wimps] who seek to bully and be generally rude, whereas our friend in Canada, c/w eyebrows's comments I always enjoy and miss his words,
your comments John, about pay [or p.a.y.d.] drivers made me wonder historically who has been successful and who was considered a pay driver, was De Portago? or Peter Revson? Hector Rebeaque or Ricardo Rodriguez? the trouble is there have been a lot of these pay as you go drivers since the 70's that quite frankly i have forgotten most of them but it really irks me what is happening at Williams, actually saddens and make me despair, Rob Smedley must be wringing his hands and do these people have no pride? Stroll is just that, strolling, I don't know the other guy but I watched Williams win his first GP at Silverstone and will look back wistfully at the sadly missed Clay's comments "bravo Frank bravo' - i ireally don't think we are saying that now are we
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Post by robmarsh on May 15, 2018 6:58:11 GMT
It is sad to see Williams continue to sink into oblivion but they only have themselves to blame. They had a better chance of being successful in the last six years than both Force India and Haas but have blown it badly. I am not sure why but think they lost their focus as a group and the original management had far more to lose than the current crop and hence were more determined. Things started to go awry when Head left and this current tactic of having inexperienced pay drivers is a slippery slope downwards. I am not sure how many strings the rich in money but poor in F1 expertise, Daddy Stroll is pulling but he needs to sponsor the team, if he wants, but then shut up like most glam sponsors do. If he was a real racer he would have fired his son like Red Bull do. I see even Martin Brundle is starting to back Stroll. That was the one comment in the whole commentary that stood out for me, so insincere and sycophantic did it sound.
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Post by mikael on May 15, 2018 7:31:26 GMT
And I agree with your conclusion; F1 needs a tyre war! Unfortunately Michelin does not want to make F1 balloon style tyres anymore. Would love to see Michelin and Ferrari team up again.
Regarding the 18'' wheels with low-profile tyres that were tested a couple of years ago, I agree that it initially looked a bit odd, but I think this "oddness" is soon forgotten. Personally I think it's the way to go and that it was pity the step wasn't taken in connection with the big formula-overhaul for 2017.
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Post by René on May 15, 2018 14:59:28 GMT
And I agree with your conclusion; F1 needs a tyre war! Unfortunately Michelin does not want to make F1 balloon style tyres anymore. Would love to see Michelin and Ferrari team up again. Regarding the 18'' wheels with low-profile tyres that were tested a couple of years ago, I agree that it initially looked a bit odd, but I think this "oddness" is soon forgotten. Personally I think it's the way to go and that it was pity the step wasn't taken in connection with the big formula-overhaul for 2017. Maybe you're right Mikael. It looks a bit strange to me on an open wheel racer but maybe it's the way to go eventually. It surely isn't the biggest issue for F1 right now...
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Post by mikael on May 15, 2018 15:20:34 GMT
Maybe you're right Mikael. It looks a bit strange to me on an open wheel racer but maybe it's the way to go eventually. It surely isn't the biggest issue for F1 right now...
But if it somehow could initiate a new tyre war it could possibly be a solution to some of the issues.
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