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Post by René on May 1, 2018 15:44:18 GMT
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Post by Carl on May 1, 2018 16:27:38 GMT
Wonderful photographs! He was a superbly great driver whose legacy is somewhat tarnished by histrionics.
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Post by chrisb on May 1, 2018 21:00:48 GMT
thank you a 1000 times Rene, and the photos are pretty good too!
my favourite will always be 1985 [funny that] and Portugal - that was the day you knew the new legend had arrived, i may have vehemently disagreed with some of his behaviour on the track but by my word, what a charismatic human being whose driving literally could be on another planet - as i think he once said of a practice lap around Monaco - another tragic loss and is still sadly missed
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Post by René on May 1, 2018 21:51:36 GMT
thank you a 1000 times Rene, and the photos are pretty good too! my favourite will always be 1985 [funny that] and Portugal - that was the day you knew the new legend had arrived, i may have vehemently disagreed with some of his behaviour on the track but by my word, what a charismatic human being whose driving literally could be on another planet - as i think he once said of a practice lap around Monaco - another tragic loss and is still sadly missed Exactly my sentiments Chris. Senna had his 'peculiarities' on and off the track to say the least and, being a Ferrari fan I actually never cheered for him. He ruined too many sunday afternoons for me!  But man, could he drive! What a gifted racer and unique personality. |
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Post by mikael on May 2, 2018 0:53:16 GMT
Senna (then "Ayrton da Silva") gives hints to what the future would bring. FF2000 at Mondello Park in 1982.
(A small comment to the narration (0:20): No. 25 Jesper Villumsen was (is) not from Holland - but from Denmark.)
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Post by Carl on May 2, 2018 3:11:32 GMT
(A small comment to the narration (0:20): No. 25 Jesper Villumsen was (is) not from Holland - but from Denmark.) Very cool, Mikael! |
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Post by mikael on May 2, 2018 3:38:43 GMT
Carl, I'm only "at home" in this period (around 1980) when I was a teenager and absorbed anything about motor racing.
But actually, Jesper Villumsen comes from the same small town, Hobro, in Northern Jutland as Tom Kristensen, and he became a mentor of Tom when he (Tom) went from karting to FF2000. Thus Tom's success boosted the "recognizability" of Jesper Villumsen.
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Post by robmarsh on May 2, 2018 6:04:40 GMT
I was a huge Senna fan and still am. 1 May is always a sad day for me. Senna was a superb race car driver, though some of his tactics were wrong and not worthy of a man of his skill and standing. However, as great a racing driver as he was, away from the cockpit he was even a greater man and had he wanted could have probably gone into politics and become President of Brazil.
On a slightly different point, I wonder if the fact that most of the drivers grow up in karting has anything to do with the bad driving manners displayed these days. The thought started to germinate in my head when we were discussing Patrase and his rather robust tactics when he joined F1 in 1978. He was one of the first to come from a strong karting background.
Karts are extremely difficult to turn over and the tracks are very tight so often the only way to get ahead is to bump someone off or block them. Given that there are so many karts on the track at the same time, this bumping and boring is a given. Nobody really gets hurt or has a big accident so it becomes the natural way to drive and there is no fear in doing so. Over the years it becomes instinctive and is done without thought.
I remember driving one of those little smart cars on the highway in Joburg, burbling along at 120kph with big trucks and suvs all around. I had the same view as normal, eg windscreen, dashboard and steering wheel and I felt quite safe indeed. That is until I turned around to see if I had my briefcase and realised that the car ended just after my briefcase. I got a fright, realising how vulnerable I was and took the next off ramp.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by charleselan on May 2, 2018 10:34:55 GMT
I was a huge Senna fan and still am. 1 May is always a sad day for me. Senna was a superb race car driver, though some of his tactics were wrong and not worthy of a man of his skill and standing. However, as great a racing driver as he was, away from the cockpit he was even a greater man and had he wanted could have probably gone into politics and become President of Brazil. On a slightly different point, I wonder if the fact that most of the drivers grow up in karting has anything to do with the bad driving manners displayed these days. The thought started to germinate in my head when we were discussing Patrase and his rather robust tactics when he joined F1 in 1978. He was one of the first to come from a strong karting background. Karts are extremely difficult to turn over and the tracks are very tight so often the only way to get ahead is to bump someone off or block them. Given that there are so many karts on the track at the same time, this bumping and boring is a given. Nobody really gets hurt or has a big accident so it becomes the natural way to drive and there is no fear in doing so. Over the years it becomes instinctive and is done without thought. I remember driving one of those little smart cars on the highway in Joburg, burbling along at 120kph with big trucks and suvs all around. I had the same view as normal, eg windscreen, dashboard and steering wheel and I felt quite safe indeed. That is until I turned around to see if I had my briefcase and realised that the car ended just after my briefcase. I got a fright, realising how vulnerable I was and took the next off ramp. What are your thoughts? Rob, I would support your view on the influence karting played in the changing standards of driving; in fact I know it to be true. A good friend of mine back in the mid 70's decided that he was going to have a go at karting and so I went along to several meetings with him. My friend become friendly with a guy who was one of the best in class in the SW of England and he would talk about the tactics employed. All the little tricks like nudging and blocking were apparent and this was carried over into car racing during the early/mid 1970's. It was second nature to these lads and it continues to this day. Interestingly as an example in more recent times (well it seems like that to me  ) a guy like Damon Hill who did not race karts, had none of those traits. Karting is where it all lay. JC |
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Post by René on May 2, 2018 16:04:59 GMT
Rob, I also think you have a point there. Look at Max, he still drives like he's in a kart. Sometimes spectacular and even genius but not always respectful to his competitors. Nowadays almost all the top line racers have learned their skills in karting.
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Post by René on May 2, 2018 16:07:41 GMT
Back to Senna. Not a very good photo here but I like the fact he looked at me when I waved at him! (Monza 1990)  |
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Post by charleselan on May 2, 2018 17:10:21 GMT
I trust that it was a respectful wave René, seeing as though Ayrton was not driving a Ferrari   . |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 18:06:19 GMT
 (Photo Daniele Amaduzzi) |
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Post by René on May 2, 2018 19:10:52 GMT
I trust that it was a respectful wave René, seeing as though Ayrton was not driving a Ferrari . Oh yes of course! Camera in my right hand and a gentle wave with my left hand, inspired by the Italian tifosi around me! |
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) a guy like Damon Hill who did not race karts, had none of those traits.
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