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Post by charleselan on Apr 12, 2018 20:12:49 GMT
Look out Patrick, here's Keke (said in the best menacing Jack Nicholson voice)  . |
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Post by René on Apr 12, 2018 20:18:59 GMT
Oops!  |
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Post by Carl on Apr 12, 2018 23:42:59 GMT
Rene,
That's a beautiful photograph regardless of what soon took place. Judging by the crowd in the background, I believe it was taken at Turn 4 as they transitioned onto one side of Shoreline Drive and uphill toward the first hairpin at Ocean Boulevard. The exit of that hairpin put them onto the other side of Shoreline Drive and then full throttle through the long and gentle curve toward the second hairpin, which they approached at 190-195 mph. I'll never forget how quickly James Hunt downshifted all the way from top to 1st as he approached the second hairpin, blipping the throttle with complete mastery on each downshift. This was either 1976 or 1977 during practice/qualifying.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by chrisb on Apr 13, 2018 5:27:28 GMT
they are really great photos - thanks chaps, I always liked Patrick, real class and not a bad peddler
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Post by charleselan on Apr 13, 2018 13:31:00 GMT
Rene, That's a beautiful photograph regardless of what soon took place. Judging by the crowd in the background, I believe it was taken at Turn 4 as they transitioned onto one side of Shoreline Drive and uphill toward the first hairpin at Ocean Boulevard. The exit of that hairpin put them onto the other side of Shoreline Drive and then full throttle through the long and gentle curve toward the second hairpin, which they approached at 190-195 mph. I'll never forget how quickly James Hunt downshifted all the way from top to 1st as he approached the second hairpin, blipping the throttle with complete mastery on each downshift. This was either 1976 or 1977 during practice/qualifying. Cheers, Carl Great narrative Carl, fantastic thank you. I envy you for being at Long Beach in those days, almost as much as I do you seeing those great Can Am races at Riverside. |
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Post by René on Apr 13, 2018 13:52:24 GMT
Rene, That's a beautiful photograph regardless of what soon took place. Judging by the crowd in the background, I believe it was taken at Turn 4 as they transitioned onto one side of Shoreline Drive and uphill toward the first hairpin at Ocean Boulevard. The exit of that hairpin put them onto the other side of Shoreline Drive and then full throttle through the long and gentle curve toward the second hairpin, which they approached at 190-195 mph. I'll never forget how quickly James Hunt downshifted all the way from top to 1st as he approached the second hairpin, blipping the throttle with complete mastery on each downshift. This was either 1976 or 1977 during practice/qualifying. Cheers, Carl Great narrative Carl, fantastic thank you. I envy you for being at Long Beach in those days, almost as much as I do you seeing those great Can Am races at Riverside. Yes Carl. We are jealous!  |
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Post by robmarsh on Apr 13, 2018 14:46:42 GMT
Yep Keke took out Tambay who was leading in the Ferrari. I have held that against him ever since. DSJ referred to him as"driving like a rock ape". Rob, In all fairness to Keke I think he had a brake imbalance or something that was known back then as "grabbing brakes". He wasn't one for making excuses however and made no comment about his problems afterwards, maybe he should have done. It was tough on Patrick Tambay, a very smooth and elegant driver who I liked a great deal. JC That was the only time I got cross with Keke and only because it was Tambay's Ferrari. Anybody else I wouldn't have minded. I thought Patrick Tambay was an excellent driver. DSJ had a lot of good to say about him. He could quite easily have been word champion in 1983 as he lost possible victories in Long Beach, Hockenheim and Austria. He also wanted to start the Monaco GP on slicks but was overruled by the team. Keke started on slicks and won fairly easily. It was such a pity he got on the wrong side of the internal Ferrari politics and got dropped instead of Arnoux for Alboretto. I still think Ferrari made a mistake with that one. They probably had the strongest driver pairing with Tambay and Arnoux and Tambay was an excellent test driver, second only to Chris Amon according to Forgheri. |
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Post by René on Apr 13, 2018 14:59:19 GMT
Rob, In all fairness to Keke I think he had a brake imbalance or something that was known back then as "grabbing brakes". He wasn't one for making excuses however and made no comment about his problems afterwards, maybe he should have done. It was tough on Patrick Tambay, a very smooth and elegant driver who I liked a great deal. JC That was the only time I got cross with Keke and only because it was Tambay's Ferrari. Anybody else I wouldn't have minded. I thought Patrick Tambay was an excellent driver. DSJ had a lot of good to say about him. He could quite easily have been word champion in 1983 as he lost possible victories in Long Beach, Hockenheim and Austria. He also wanted to start the Monaco GP on slicks but was overruled by the team. Keke started on slicks and won fairly easily. It was such a pity he got on the wrong side of the internal Ferrari politics and got dropped instead of Arnoux for Alboretto. I still think Ferrari made a mistake with that one. They probably had the strongest driver pairing with Tambay and Arnoux and Tambay was an excellent test driver, second only to Chris Amon according to Forgheri. Exactly my sentiments of that day Rob. I can still recall the disappointment and I was also angry at Keke. Also agree about letting Patrick go, not a smart decision. |
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Post by Carl on Apr 18, 2018 21:04:25 GMT
Patrick Tambay at Long Beach 1978
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 22:10:59 GMT
I knew that video, beautiful. Friday morning practice.
Love the circuit, the car, the sound of the DFV. Imagine an adventurous pit exit like that today…
One of my favourite GPs to watch on TV, always at impossible hours (dead of night) and with low quality video due to then satellite link.
PS: That is Depailler, of course, Freudian slip.
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Post by Carl on Apr 19, 2018 3:23:23 GMT
I knew that video, beautiful. Friday morning practice. Love the circuit, the car, the sound of the DFV. Imagine an adventurous pit exit like that today… One of my favourite GPs to watch on TV, always at impossible hours (dead of night) and with low quality video due to then satellite link. PS: That is Depailler, of course, Freudian slip. Lucio, It is a beautiful video showing an excellent driver at work and the track as first designed. The sudden drop exiting Turn 1 onto Linden Avenue followed immediately by the left and right of Turns 2 and 3, a hairpin at each end of Shoreline Drive, the sudden uphill transition onto Pine Avenue. It was an awesome circuit fated for alteration because of disruption of commerce along Ocean Boulevard, the original start/finish straight. Freud wasn't to blame, just ordinary brain fade.  I hold both Patricks in high regard, which used to drive Doctor Freud to distraction. He finally told me to either choose a neurosis or leave. Cheers, Carl |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 18:06:11 GMT
Lucio, It is a beautiful video showing an excellent driver at work and the track as first designed. The sudden drop exiting Turn 1 onto Linden Avenue followed immediately by the left and right of Turns 2 and 3, a hairpin at each end of Shoreline Drive, the sudden uphill transition onto Pine Avenue. It was an awesome circuit fated for alteration because of disruption of commerce along Ocean Boulevard, the original start/finish straight. Freud wasn't to blame, just ordinary brain fade. I hold both Patricks in high regard, which used to drive Doctor Freud to distraction. He finally told me to either choose a neurosis or leave. Cheers, Carl The drop after Turn 1 remains one of my favourite part of any track. Carl, I have just enjoyed an Aunt Sally's Creole Pralines, "New Orleans most famous praline". My wife came back yesterday from a US work tour - the Big Easy, New York and New Haven (Yale Univ.) - and brought them back, among other things. Next month she's back to Ithaca (Cornell). Not sure they do pralines there... Cheers, Lucio |
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Post by Carl on Apr 20, 2018 3:28:57 GMT
Lucio, I just saw and read about Aunt Sally and her  Creole Pralines. Wow...  No wonder folks in Louisiana tend to chubbiness. I love pecans and have a crush on Aunt Sally. |
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I hold both Patricks in high regard, which used to drive Doctor Freud to distraction. He finally told me to either choose a neurosis or leave. 
Creole Pralines. Wow... 
No wonder folks in Louisiana tend to chubbiness.