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Post by robmarsh on Mar 29, 2018 16:17:44 GMT
Sorry to harp on about the old days but in those days pitstops were something you avoided where possible because they cost you too much time. There were instances of using them as strategy calls eg Fangio 1957 or the more modern attempts as thought of by Gordon Murray. It was however touch and go as to which was better. A brilliant example was the 1987 Italian GP where Senna saw as staying out as his only chance to win and it nearly worked. Nowadays pit stops are used to overtake and have been for a long time. It is not very interesting watching a car drive down the pit lane and stop for 2 secs then driving off. Coupled with the need to change tyres and the fact that the other teams know which tyres you are on takes away the suspense brought about by being unsure of what others are doing. My solution: Keep all tyre markings one colour Bring thre compounds per race and let the teams run them in any combination they like, when they like and even going as far as to have hard on the back and soft on the front, Limit the pit crews to 6 Reduce the number of pit passes to the mechanics and technical staff so the numbers are reduced, Limit the bandwidth to transfer data and thereby get rid of all the technical staff at base, Reducing the number of staff allowed to each GP will reduce the air fares hotel bills salary costs etc.
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Post by Carl on Mar 29, 2018 18:53:09 GMT
To reinforce my earlier words "Less is more". Look at these simple helmet designs. Also here (and I say this as a graphic designer) is "less is more" a given. Rene, Wonderful confirmation of the beauty of simplicity! The schizophrenic kaleidoscopes on today's helmets look no better than a toddler's dinner plate after "junior" has been allowed for twenty minutes to play with his food.
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Post by Carl on Mar 29, 2018 19:03:59 GMT
Sorry to harp on about the old days but in those days pitstops were something you avoided where possible because they cost you too much time. There were instances of using them as strategy calls eg Fangio 1957 or the more modern attempts as thought of by Gordon Murray. It was however touch and go as to which was better. A brilliant example was the 1987 Italian GP where Senna saw as staying out as his only chance to win and it nearly worked. Nowadays pit stops are used to overtake and have been for a long time. It is not very interesting watching a car drive down the pit lane and stop for 2 secs then driving off. Coupled with the need to change tyres and the fact that the other teams know which tyres you are on takes away the suspense brought about by being unsure of what others are doing. My solution: Keep all tyre markings one colour Bring thre compounds per race and let the teams run them in any combination they like, when they like and even going as far as to have hard on the back and soft on the front, Limit the pit crews to 6 Reduce the number of pit passes to the mechanics and technical staff so the numbers are reduced, Limit the bandwidth to transfer data and thereby get rid of all the technical staff at base, Reducing the number of staff allowed to each GP will reduce the air fares hotel bills salary costs etc. Excellent comment, Rob! Your idea to allow different compounds at the same time makes great sense. They allow this in MotoGP and there's no logical reason (headaches for Pirelli maybe) for Formula One not to do the same. We all agree that pitstops have become too important by default of passing and also too crowded. There must be a formula or algorithm that would make choosing the right compound and staying out as practical a choice as coming in. Cheers, Carl
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Post by René on Mar 29, 2018 22:00:18 GMT
Rene, Wonderful confirmation of the beauty of simplicity! The schizophrenic kaleidoscopes on today's helmets look no better than a toddler's dinner plate after "junior" has been allowed for twenty minutes to play with his food. Indeed Carl. The one driver who took that madness the furthest, Herr Vettel, is the one who has the best design now in my opinion. Still sometimes a bit too much clutter and airbrush effects but the basic white helmet with the German flag is recognizeable and will be remembered. All his previous helmets will be forgotten.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 30, 2018 5:57:17 GMT
am with you Rob, although I do feel 4 wheel changers should be the maximum allowed per pit stop, i would suggest that the number of tyre options is more down to a computer game, sorry, strategical thinking that goes on in a number of teams by people 1000's of miles away who have no concept as to what is actually happening, only what they are told. but wholeheartedly agree with a massive reduction in both staff numbers and tyre choices, to as you say 3 tyre choices, it works for crying out loud! and totally agree with your last points In MS this month Mark H is talking about - basically what we are saying around size and weight, eco friendly [which is rubbish] , Roebuck in AS is saying F1 needs to learn from Indycars, audiences falling drastically - the media agreeing with fans, racers are complaining, and Liberty? according to the Oxford dictionary it means: The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behaviour, or political views. mmm, maybe this company needs re-naming....well we await Bahrain in more than one dread, the wretched circuit and place Ross's announcement - but if one wishes to be eco-friendlier - then fly less
the biggest issue for me is the over-uneccsary complication of it all, keep it simple
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Post by chrisb on Mar 30, 2018 5:57:51 GMT
no idea why some of the above is on bold writing
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Post by René on Mar 30, 2018 7:28:42 GMT
no idea why some of the above is on bold writing It's your frustration showing thru Chris.
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Post by Carl on Mar 30, 2018 15:33:15 GMT
no idea why some of the above is on bold writing Weren't the 10 Commandments in bold type?
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Post by charleselan on Mar 30, 2018 16:03:41 GMT
Could one suggest that these overly ornate airbrush specialities that the current crop of Prima Madonnas wear are the helmet version of bold text. Shout the loudest and everyone will notice you, well that is the theory.
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Post by Carl on Mar 30, 2018 16:38:56 GMT
John Charles, That makes good sense, most drivers being ultra-competitive. Another theory I like is that many are rather dumb in a social sense and simply conform to the latest trend. The smartest ones think for themselves and are wise enough to choose when to take a different course. Fashion and trends help the dumbest to keep busy and the smartest to blend in. But that's only a theory. The trends of fashion are like a carousel, around and around to no purpose other than fun. A curmudgeon wants to know where the carousel takes anyone.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 30, 2018 19:08:20 GMT
fashion is repetitive, the younger ones think they look cool, but we invented it!
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Post by Carl on Mar 30, 2018 19:28:28 GMT
My favorite amusement park rides are the traditional wooden roller coasters, the bigger and faster the better, but when I'm with a child or a playful lady friend, I eagerly ride on the carousel and share their delight. Don't tell anyone...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 22:30:01 GMT
Just on this subject, a beautiful piece by Mario Donnini on an Autosprint of few weeks ago, which I attempted to translate, and although it loses most of the literary voice, hopefully not the point he's trying to make. A bit long, perhaps, but see if you can bear with me.
The title of the article is: "To your G-spot, I prefer the Gilles-spot"
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Post by robmarsh on Apr 2, 2018 6:24:59 GMT
An excellent article Lucio thanks for sharing it. Even in translation it is an exceptional read. When I first started following F1 passionately in 1970 maybe one in eight races were epic in their excitement eg Monza 1971, but the rest were very interesting because of an unexpected result, or a youngster making good, or previous dog winning. For a true F1 fan you accepted that this was the case but the chance to see your heroes in action or to watch the cars was already fulfilling. If the race was exciting then that was an added bonus. Above all the air of expectancy of something unusual happening and the possibility of cars breaking down kept you on the edge of your seat until the chequered flag had fallen. Above all it was truthful and not contrived. Sadly this is no longer the case and the winner is almost known everytime within 100 metres of the start. This situation is easy enough to fix within two years but some changes eg changing the tyre rule, could be made within two weeks. It just needs someone with balls. The teams wont withdraw. Their sponsors have too much money tied up in a season to do that. In any case which sponsor wouldnt look for more REAL excitement and not contrived crap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 8:27:46 GMT
Perfect, Rob, that is exactly the spirit of the article, which I fully agree with.
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