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Post by chrisb on Mar 25, 2018 5:26:07 GMT
Hi Jamie, my Triumph Tiger 1050
well i am listening to it - good on Magnusson
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Post by René on Mar 25, 2018 6:50:11 GMT
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Post by Jamie on Mar 25, 2018 7:36:02 GMT
More of the same at the top, Haas were brilliant until the pit stop issues and good to see Alonso back at the right end of the grid. Hardly any overtaking but that was to be expected. Well done to Ferrari but that was no way to win a motor race, it’s effectively luck of the draw with the safety car which I don’t like in this context (cars that cant overtake / race).
Still it’s going to be a tight year with the race pace looking pretty even so thats a positive.
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Post by René on Mar 25, 2018 8:04:15 GMT
I do not entirely agree with you about Ferrari's win, Jamie. Yes they were lucky with the VSC but it worked because of where they were in the race, because Seb continued longer on his first set of tyres without losing too much time. He was 'set up' for an eventual SC or VSC, his only chance for a win. And then it actually happened at exactly the right moment which was indeed the luck part.
What I don't understand is all the confusion with Lewis and Merc "how this all could happen". Comment from Wolff: "The way the algorithms are set up, the way the computers are programmed, the green light was always enough for us to stay ahead. But then we saw the TV pictures and it wasn't enough." It's like like someone obeying his sat nav to turn right while you can actually see you're gonna drive into a field...
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Post by René on Mar 25, 2018 8:17:22 GMT
The HAAS guys were brilliant and at least one of them in the top five would have been well deserved. A shame for them. Good for Danny to have a descent home race and Max's race was a bit messy and frustrated, that spin shouldn't have happened.
Interesting to hear Nico Rosberg (who is a tv pundit for RTL Germany) before the race talking about the halo. He was very much in favor of it, even said it was a necessity to improve cockpit safety.
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Post by René on Mar 25, 2018 8:24:23 GMT
Who else voted for a Vettel win?
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Post by Jamie on Mar 25, 2018 8:24:30 GMT
No René, no beef at all with Ferrari winning, they played the cards they were dealt perfectly and deserved the win. It’s how that situation came about that I don’t like. The virtual safety car was brought in to make these situations fair to all and it simply doesn’t. I think Kimi and Hamilton will be feeling pretty aggrieved right now and rightly so. It’s just a bit of a let down that the safety car situation skewed the race result, still it least it gave the race a talking point 😂 not a lot happened otherwise.
Regarding the glitch, the Merc software showed that Hamilton had enough in hand to cover Vettel off should a virtual safety car happen just after Hamilton pitted. Otherwise they would have told Hamilton to close Vettel down and get the right gap, as it was they thought they had enough in hand and were keeping something back to protect the tyres. They were wrong......naughty computer.
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Post by Jamie on Mar 25, 2018 8:29:09 GMT
The HAAS guys were brilliant and at least one of them in the top five would have been well deserved. A shame for them. Good for Danny to have a descent home race and Max's race was a bit messy and frustrated, that spin shouldn't have happened. Interesting to hear Nico Rosberg (who is a tv pundit for RTL Germany) before the race talking about the halo. He was very much in favor of it, even said it was a necessity to improve cockpit safety. They were, it was a stunning performance from Haas, right up until the stops. Let’s hope they maintain the momentum 👍 And it’s always good to see Danny R get a good result.....the most likeable character in the paddock by far👍 Nico is also doing some pundit work with the UK sky coverage this year and I think he’s really good. He seems like a much more relaxed, cool guy now he’s retired.....which is hardly surprising 😁
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Post by René on Mar 25, 2018 8:43:15 GMT
It was an unexpected turn for sure and very lucky for Vettel. But the simple fact is that everyone is allowed to pit during a VSC and when doing so, you lose less time than pitting when the rest is at full race speed. No rocket science. In general I feel the VSC is more fair but this time it worked as a joker for Seb and he played it to perfection. I was watching the timing app and the tv and when the VSC came I was jumping up (like Seb) because it was clear this was an opportunity. How can I see that with a simple app and the tele and 500 clever minds and computers missed that?
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Post by Jamie on Mar 25, 2018 8:57:36 GMT
You’re quite right René and it’s not Vettel’s fault, he and the team took maximum advantage and quite right too. It is the same for everybody and others will no doubt benefit similarly over the course of a season, I know Mercedes did last year. However, it’s a crap state of affairs that the VSC represents an opportunity. I have no interest in that at all, opportunities should be fought for on the track not when a race is supposedly ‘paused’ under a safety car situation. I see this a a race that Hamilton and Kimi lost rather than Vettel won and that’s a shame as I like Seb.
And to be fair to Toto and Merc, it was just a balls up. They were aware that the VSC threat was there and Hamilton drove to his delta etc, nothing really they could do. Their mistake was on thinking they’d covered it with the gap they had while waiting for Vettel to stop. The computer told them if a VSC was thrown they had enough to come out ahead of Ferrari when they pitted......I expect the computer is getting a severe talking to 😂
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Post by René on Mar 25, 2018 9:58:33 GMT
Haha yes, I see one naughty computer standing in the hallway for punishment somewhere in Brackley!
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Post by Carl on Mar 25, 2018 16:31:57 GMT
The hyper abundance of compounds and focus on tyre degradation, the reliance on pit stop strategy in order to win, the dependence on computer algorithms rather than the racecraft of drivers, all combine to degrade the essence of racing.
It's no wonder that the broadcasters behave like they're presiding at a carnival. They are.
A curmudgeon is often grumpy in the morning, but I doubt my opinion will change. The brave new world of racing is not brave and only occasionally allows actual racing.
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Post by chrisb on Mar 25, 2018 18:14:25 GMT
Carl my friend you have articulated perfectly my sentiments -
I listened to it on the radio, i quite like listening to sport on the radio- especially cricket - as in the instance of F1 I am not blinded by the sheer ugliness of these monsters. On the radio it actually sounded better than it turned out to be, I just look and listen to all these 'cunning plans' and very clever people screw up -
well done Maranello, you had to be there to win it, so, congratulations but I cannot get away from the fact the Mercedes of Lewis is just too quick and for all his talk, and good on him for saying it about a more competitive grid, nothing is going to change until we rid of all these 'gimmicks' and artificiality of this thing called F1, and as Rene so wonderfully pointed out, reduce the size of these behemoths and put some decent tyres on the damm things
now you engineers amongst you, which is safer the F1 halo or the sense and sensibility of the Indycar protective glass? bearing in mind the ovals, the rate of high speed accidents and the closeness of the racing?
and i actually do belong to the grumpy old 'gxxs society'
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Post by Carl on Mar 25, 2018 23:38:38 GMT
Who else voted for a Vettel win? The administrator is rumored to have voted twice.
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Post by robmarsh on Mar 26, 2018 7:17:10 GMT
Not much to add to what has already been said. I too couldn't sleep for a week before the start of the season in the old days but not this year. I was profoundly disappointed by the look of the cars throughout practice and quali but found that during the race I did not notice so much. The field is closer but still looks like if Merc get away first they will win providing no safety cars. I find it laughable that all the technology couldn't tell Merc what was going to happen that Rene and I could see just by watching. So to my mind this use of computer technology to manage a race is another blind alley that adds nothing to my race watching enjoyment. Ham has often been caught out by the VSC, Rosberg used to make up 2 to 3 seconds everytime it was deployed.
Final word. I was impatient for the race to finish so I could cross to the cricket test between South Africa and Australia which was a much more exciting prospect in terms of sports emotion. I never ever thought that would be possible.
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