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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 20:27:46 GMT
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Post by Carl on Jan 10, 2018 20:53:01 GMT
I believe it. The 2CV is one of the most perfect cars ever designed. An ideal solution for market conditions. What follows has been edited for maximum insult: Donald Trump's fitness trainer says tweeting is adequate exercise and a banana each day keeps anal-retention away, demonstrably untrue in Trump's case. Of course, both client and trainer are themselves bananas.   |
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Post by René on Jan 10, 2018 23:39:11 GMT
I believe it. The 2CV is one of the most perfect cars ever designed. An ideal solution for market conditions. What follows has been edited for maximum insult: Donald Trump's fitness trainer says tweeting is adequate exercise and a banana each day keeps anal-retention away, demonstrably untrue in Trump's case. Of course, both client and trainer are themselves bananas. Haha, keep those banana quotes coming.  Talking of bananas, have you seen the new US ambassador for The Netherlands? A serious banana: www.snopes.com/2017/12/22/trumps-ambassador-to-netherlands-busted-on-fake-news-claim/ (see clip at 6.20) |
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Post by René on Jan 10, 2018 23:42:18 GMT
Great article on the 2CV, Lucio! An iconic car.
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Post by Carl on Jan 11, 2018 1:19:10 GMT
Great article on the 2CV, Lucio! An iconic car. Rene, I am familiar with the toady sent to represent America in your country. The essential problem with such idiocy is that it precludes self-awareness. A specific problem with (p)resident (t)rump is that deep down in his ante-chamber he knows he's a moron and chooses like-minded fools with whom to associate. Hence Peter Hoekstra, whose only qualification is a remote Dutch ancestor who, if alive today, would disavow him. In a year or two America will have a lot to explain. Make mine a double, bartender  Cheers, Carl |
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Post by mikael on Jan 11, 2018 3:12:31 GMT
A very interesting read, Lucio; thank you. There's a number of interesting facts I was not aware of - such as the "2 stroke ignition system", and wipers driven by the speedometer cable :-) In the mid / late 70's Denmark had a 2CV class in autocross / rally-cross. The scanned-in page is from a book on the Danish circuit "Ring Djursland" (Morten Alstrup: Ring "Djursland - En udfordring for alle" (= A challenge for all). Published by Ring Djursland Motorsport, 2007.) The figure caption says, "They weren't the World's fastest racing cars, but they were the funniest. Whenever there was a race in Citroen 2CV cross the spectators always had a good laugh." I remember these races well. Just the thought of using 2CV's as "racing cars" made you smile!  |
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Post by Carl on Jan 11, 2018 5:23:05 GMT
Mikael,
I've heard that 2CVs will naturally follow each other around the course like migrating geese. They are as cute as little kids in a sandbox.
One of my dream cars, one I've actually seen only a few times, is the Citroen SM. No more elegant car exists.
Kind regards, Carl
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Post by René on Jan 11, 2018 16:37:52 GMT
In the mid / late 70's Denmark had a 2CV class in autocross / rally-cross. That must have been fun to watch! Reminds me of the 'DAF achteruit-rij-race (drive backwards race)' we had in the late 70's, early 80's at Zandvoort. A very popular TV show with live comment from a well known comedian. The DAF had a clever so-called Variomatic gear system. The Variomatic had a seamless gear change with the unique attribute that the car could drive just as fast backwards as forwards! And that led to the sublime idea to have a drive backwards race!  |
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Post by mikael on Jan 11, 2018 23:41:09 GMT
The DAF had a clever so-called Variomatic gear system. The Variomatic had a seamless gear change with the unique attribute that the car could drive just as fast backwards as forwards! And that led to the sublime idea to have a drive backwards race!
What a chaos a drive backwards race could turn into :-)
I remember the Variomatic gear system. A great experience in my childhood was a trip to the Swedish GP in Anderstorp in 1978. I went up there with my father and a colleague and good friend of his (which happened also to be the husband of my class-teacher in school). He had Volvo 343 which we made the trip in. It was essentially a DAF (with a Renault engine, if I remember correctly) and it had the Variomatic transmission. We went very early in the morning (actually in the night - but it was a light summer night). On a Swedish highway we missed an exit - but on such an early Sunday morning there was not any other car in sight. So rather than to continue to the next exit the driver (the colleague) chose to reverse, back to the missed exit. The speedometer didn't work backwards but the engine was fully "rev'ed out" - backwards - and as you say, a unique feature of Variomatic was that the car could go just as fast in reverse as it could in forward! He was a good driver so everything was in control. (But it's dangerous, as the movie shows, as a car is terribly unstable when reversing.) It was impressive, and I remember this high-speed reversing scene so vividly although forty years have now passed.
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Post by Carl on Jan 12, 2018 1:17:01 GMT
The DAF had a clever so-called Variomatic gear system. The Variomatic had a seamless gear change with the unique attribute that the car could drive just as fast backwards as forwards! And that led to the sublime idea to have a drive backwards race!
What a chaos a drive backwards race could turn into :-)
I remember the Variomatic gear system. A great experience in my childhood was a trip to the Swedish GP in Anderstorp in 1978. I went up there with my father and a colleague and good friend of his (which happened also to be the husband of my class-teacher in school). He had Volvo 343 which we made the trip in. It was essentially a DAF (with a Renault engine, if I remember correctly) and it had the Variomatic transmission. We went very early in the morning (actually in the night - but it was a light summer night). On a Swedish highway we missed an exit - but on such an early Sunday morning there was not any other car in sight. So rather than to continue to the next exit the driver (the colleague) chose to reverse, back to the missed exit. The speedometer didn't work backwards but the engine was fully "rev'ed out" - backwards - and as you say, a unique feature of Variomatic was that the car could go just as fast in reverse as it could in forward! He was a good driver so everything was in control. (But it's dangerous, as the movie shows, as a car is terribly unstable when reversing.) It was impressive, and I remember this high-speed reversing scene so vividly although forty years have now passed.
Mikael, What are your impressions of your first GP? Which drivers were your favorites? That race was quite momentous, of course, because of the Brabham fan car, which gave Mario Andretti another reason to bitch and moan about fate's atrocious vendetta, a favorite pastime. Cheers, Carl |
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Post by mikael on Jan 12, 2018 4:27:19 GMT
Mikael, What are your impressions of your first GP? Which drivers were your favorites? That race was quite momentous, of course, because of the Brabham fan car, which gave Mario Andretti another reason to bitch and moan about fate's atrocious vendetta, a favorite pastime. Cheers, Carl Carl, Like other childhood memories there are some "flashes" that stay clear in memory forever (like the "in reverse on the highway" incident) - but many more things are forgotten. But I remember the image of Lauda hanging in the tail of Andretti lap after lap; then suddenly Andretti in trouble somehow - and Lauda running away from that point. (Later, when reading Lauda's own recollections, I learned that his shadowing of Andretti was largely play-acting - that he could have passed him easily, almost anytime and anywhere on the circuit, the way the fan car was "glued" to the surface. To read that was disappointing in a way, but of course not surprising.) I recall also being completely in awe of the sights and sounds when the F1 cars came out. Having only seen amateur racing before, this was really something else ... Peculiarly, the sound of the "almost-soundless" Renault turbo cars has stayed clear in memory too. They impressed me somehow; probably because they stood out so clearly among the other cars. As to favorites, I had read a good deal about Lauda. Also, when the newspaper (which my parents subscribed to) wrote about F1, it was mostly about Lauda. So he was a hero, and my favorite. (At that time, I hadn't understood how good Peterson was, I must admit.) Cheers, Mikael |
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Post by chrisb on Jan 13, 2018 7:07:36 GMT
what I liked about the fan car was the dustbin lids they put on them to cover them up, i didn't like them because they beat my beauties but I did like the fact one could try something like this -
is this a possible thread? banned because they were too good? the Lotus 88 - the hydraulic suspension on the Brabhams,
I have vague memories of driving a 2CV and seem to remember races of them at Brands some time ago and they were great fun,
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Post by René on Jan 13, 2018 10:49:35 GMT
The DAF had a clever so-called Variomatic gear system. The Variomatic had a seamless gear change with the unique attribute that the car could drive just as fast backwards as forwards! And that led to the sublime idea to have a drive backwards race!
What a chaos a drive backwards race could turn into :-)
I remember the Variomatic gear system. A great experience in my childhood was a trip to the Swedish GP in Anderstorp in 1978. I went up there with my father and a colleague and good friend of his (which happened also to be the husband of my class-teacher in school). He had Volvo 343 which we made the trip in. It was essentially a DAF (with a Renault engine, if I remember correctly) and it had the Variomatic transmission. We went very early in the morning (actually in the night - but it was a light summer night). On a Swedish highway we missed an exit - but on such an early Sunday morning there was not any other car in sight. So rather than to continue to the next exit the driver (the colleague) chose to reverse, back to the missed exit. The speedometer didn't work backwards but the engine was fully "rev'ed out" - backwards - and as you say, a unique feature of Variomatic was that the car could go just as fast in reverse as it could in forward! He was a good driver so everything was in control. (But it's dangerous, as the movie shows, as a car is terribly unstable when reversing.) It was impressive, and I remember this high-speed reversing scene so vividly although forty years have now passed.
Great story Mikael! I can imagine the impression this makes on a young kid! My first car was actually a Volvo variomatic, the original DAF model but sold as Volvo. A damn ugly car that I bought from a vague person for a hundred guilders! It lasted only a few weeks before parts started to fall off! But I did have the experience of the variomatic and reversing at high speed! |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 13, 2018 12:53:47 GMT
Great thread. I had the privilege of owning a Citroën Dyanne 6 from 1979 until 1982, following a serious engine blow up on my Elan (con rod through the block). The Dyanne was a slightly more modern version of the 2CV, almost identical except for slight body mods, an incredible vehicle and huge fun if one could get your head around that it wasn't that fast . Truly amazing in the severe winter (in the UK) of '82 where it could negotiate deeply rutted snow covered roads leaving other cars floundering. You could even take the seats out and have a picnic. With reference to the the DAF Variable transmission I remember two instances of it in quite top line motor sport back in the day. Firstly in the 1960's the Chequered Flag Formula Three team ran its Brabham cars with this transmission in place of the more common Hewland box. Mick Beckwith for one had some success with it in the highly competitive one litre screamer class that was F3 in those days. Also the Dutch brothers de Rooy had quite some success with their Rallycross DAF cars, especially on UK televised Rallycross meetings.  |
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Talking of bananas, have you seen the new US ambassador for The Netherlands? 
