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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 14:42:55 GMT
I love this about Carlos.......he deserved the win and he bloody well took it!! Thanks for the book quotes Lucio, very interesting. We now have both sides of the story and its obvious that something was very much amiss with the gearbox and it gave Carlos problems which ultimately cost him the title. Head has even conceded that there was a problem although he maintains that the dog rings were fine etc? Its also quite apparent that Williams management of the whole situation stinks - was it embarrassment that the machinery let Carlos down that lead them to claim everything was alright with the car and that Carlos was at fault or did they really let their adoration of Jones infect the competitive spirit within the team to the point that they didn't care that Piquet won ahead of them, indeed actively revelled in it? Either option beggars belief. I do find it hard to fathom and I'd really love to know the full truth of this unpleasant scenario....... I don’t know Jamie, it’s difficult to judge from outside, but it seems Williams and Head always had their peculiar ways, a closed shop, which very much reminded of the “old boys’ club” attitude so ingrained in British society. It seems they established a designated number one driver, even before Ferrari did, without any flexibility, were even ready to lose a driver’s championship if their choice did not have his way, which I always found it baffling. In the end, it’s the driver’s championships that is first mentioned with the car he drove. I think they got lucky in 1982, but lost few others because of that. I read long time ago Maurice Hamilton’s book about Williams and liked it, before I thought through few issues of their story, and as the book is not here I really would like to have a look at it again in due course in the coming year. According to Frank, initially, at the end of 1977, they had three drivers in mind: Nilsson, Mass and Jones. They weren’t a top team and were aware they weren’t going to get “Niki” or “Jody”. For a series of situations they landed on Jones, who revealed himself to be a much better driver they expected and forged a bond, due presumably to common language, character and starting almost from scratch together. We’ll never get the full truth as such, I think it’s reading the different recollections that one can put together a reasonable scenario, also taking into account how Wiliams and Head ran their team through the years. Personally, I don’t believe for a second Reutemann gave up on the day, because it doesn’t make sense; a top sportsman on the verge of glory just does not give up like Roebuck and co. would like to make us believe, not to mention the fight he put up all year against his team to be in contention – and still leading – right at the very end. Today, the level is not anymore Reutemann-Jones, it’s Stroll-Sirotkin, pay drivers. I don’t rejoice, but I’m not sorry or surprised either. Then, don’t get me started on Roebuck and co., we would need a long thread on its own (which in due course we may well open up). |
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Post by René on Jan 2, 2018 14:25:15 GMT
A picture I made at Zolder 1981 and Carlos his signature. To get the signature, I first had to ask Frank Williams for his and then asked if he could get me Carlos's! Carlos was a bit difficult to reach as he always hid in the team tent!   |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:09:05 GMT
Baires, 1981...  |
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Post by charleselan on Mar 8, 2018 15:45:12 GMT
In his early days before coming to Europe Carlos was driving one of these incredible looking vehicles in his native Argentina.  |
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Post by chrisb on Mar 8, 2018 20:52:23 GMT
that is a bizarre looking beast,
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Post by mikael on Mar 9, 2018 6:24:45 GMT
In his early days before coming to Europe Carlos was driving one of these incredible looking vehicles in his native Argentina. Seems that those cars won't need a Gurney bubble even for drivers of a stature like Dan Gurney ... |
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Post by René on Mar 9, 2018 10:24:06 GMT
In his early days before coming to Europe Carlos was driving one of these incredible looking vehicles in his native Argentina. Wonderful, those cars look unreal! Like fantasy Matchbox cars! Very cool.  |
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Post by charleselan on Mar 9, 2018 12:17:20 GMT
I have been doing a bit of research into these rather marvellous looking machines and these are some details:- "Huayra Pronello Ford is an Argentine racing car built in 1969. It was designed by Heriberto Pronello for the official Ford Sports-Prototype team. The Huayra was powered by a five-liter Ford V8 producing 430 hp, with four Weber 48/48 IDF carburetors. Driven by Carlos Pascualini and future competitive Formula One driver Carlos Reutemann, it was the fastest car in both qualifying and race in nearly all of Argentina's Turismo Carretera races in 1969". It is quite amazing to see some of the race series that featured in South America over the decades. Both Brazil and Argentina produced a rich vein of talent in drivers as a result, particularly in the 1960's.  |
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Post by charleselan on Mar 9, 2018 12:25:47 GMT
Mikael, Big Dan would have had plenty of headroom in one of these without any doubt. René, I see where you are coming from with the Matchbox Toy likeness, I also think it would make a fantastic slot car model and very unusual. Incidentally I would suggest that the word Hauyra is pronounced Wha-Yra, which is Argentine for "Wind".  |
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Post by mikael on Mar 9, 2018 12:51:40 GMT
Seen from the front, as in the b/w photo, the Huayra Pronello Ford looks extremely modern, with a tear-drop-shaped driver compartment, quite similar to the recent LMP1 cars. (Shown is the new (2018) Rebellion-R13 LMP1 car.)  |
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Post by René on Mar 9, 2018 13:01:54 GMT
René, I see where you are coming from with the Matchbox Toy likeness, I also think it would make a fantastic slot car model and very unusual. It is really nice to see a race car I have never seen before! It looks very cool and indeed very unusual. Of course it doesn't exactly resemble an existing Matchbox car but it has the same fantasy car feeling about it.   |
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Post by charleselan on Mar 9, 2018 13:32:15 GMT
Seen from the front, as in the b/w photo, the Huayra Pronello Ford looks extremely modern, with a tear-drop-shaped driver compartment, quite similar to the recent LMP1 cars. (Shown is the new (2018) Rebellion-R13 LMP1 car.) It certainly does Mikael, also it has a resemblance to the original Panoz coupé that ran in the early 2000's. |
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Post by charleselan on Mar 9, 2018 13:35:47 GMT
René, I see where you are coming from with the Matchbox Toy likeness, I also think it would make a fantastic slot car model and very unusual. It is really nice to see a race car I have never seen before! It looks very cool and indeed very unusual. Of course it doesn't exactly resemble an existing Matchbox car but it has the same fantasy car feeling about it. René, I share your enthusiasm for seeing race cars that were unknown to me; I had not come across this remarkable looking vehicle until yesterday and now feel the richer for doing so. Incidentally according to my research the rules for the series were changed in 1970 and Spyder versions were allowed. The Huayra lost the roof and looked very like the blue Matchbox model, only the big V8 Ford motor was front mounted. JC |
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