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Post by Carl on Oct 25, 2021 21:01:25 GMT
Not a fan of this track I am afraid guys, it looks like a tarmac knickerbocker glory from most angles even if it has some challenging corners. I may be wrong, but the wide and very loud red and blue stripes seemed somewhat reduced from an overdone past. I never liked them at all, but was less bothered this year and would prefer Thomas Gainsborough.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 26, 2021 10:48:02 GMT
Actually the whole tasteless thing is like Andy Warhol on speed, maybe it has some significance when viewed from space. A knickerbocker glory is a layered ice-cream dessert served in a glass that apparently began life in the early 1900 in New York.  |
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Post by René on Oct 26, 2021 10:57:42 GMT
I enjoyed the race and there was some excellent driving to be seen. Max is driving beautifully and with already 7 wins this year he would be a very deserved champion.
It was a shame there was almost no coverage of Charles as he drove magnificent again. But he was in no-mans land so that's probably why. Still, a super drive. Carlos was also 'on it' but a shame he damaged his front wing while fighting Danny. That was indeed a bit 'dirty' from the Aussie. But the Ferrari is de-facto faster now than the McLaren which is good (for me and Ferrari  ).
I think the COTA track is very nice but it's the scenery (or lack of) that makes it less attractive than it could be. Just imagine the same track in a green setting with lots of trees and grass and none of the red-white-blue run offs.
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Post by charleselan on Oct 26, 2021 11:12:35 GMT
I enjoyed the race and there was some excellent driving to be seen. Max is driving beautifully and with already 7 wins this year he would be a very deserved champion.
It was a shame there was almost no coverage of Charles as he drove magnificent again. But he was in no-mans land so that's probably why. Still, a super drive. Carlos was also 'on it' but a shame he damaged his front wing while fighting Danny. That was indeed a bit 'dirty' from the Aussie. But the Ferrari is de-facto faster now than the McLaren which is good (for me and Ferrari ).
I think the COTA track is very nice but it's the scenery (or lack of) that makes it less attractive than it could be. Just imagine the same track in a green setting with lots of trees and grass and none of the red-white-blue run offs.
Spot on René, the last paragraph in particular. Interestingly, or not, when the MotoGP race was there the BT Sport commentary talked about why they have so much of a problem with bumps on the track. It is created by the area having a clay based subsoil which reacts with the extreme temperatures of that region, in other words it is not a stable base on which to lay a track. |
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Post by René on Oct 26, 2021 11:24:31 GMT
I enjoyed the race and there was some excellent driving to be seen. Max is driving beautifully and with already 7 wins this year he would be a very deserved champion. It was a shame there was almost no coverage of Charles as he drove magnificent again. But he was in no-mans land so that's probably why. Still, a super drive. Carlos was also 'on it' but a shame he damaged his front wing while fighting Danny. That was indeed a bit 'dirty' from the Aussie. But the Ferrari is de-facto faster now than the McLaren which is good (for me and Ferrari ). I think the COTA track is very nice but it's the scenery (or lack of) that makes it less attractive than it could be. Just imagine the same track in a green setting with lots of trees and grass and none of the red-white-blue run offs.
Spot on René, the last paragraph in particular. Interestingly, or not, when the MotoGP race was there the BT Sport commentary talked about why they have so much of a problem with bumps on the track. It is created by the area having a clay based subsoil which reacts with the extreme temperatures of that region, in other words it is not a stable base on which to lay a track. A better setting for a rally stage! |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 26, 2021 11:27:00 GMT
Spot on René, the last paragraph in particular. Interestingly, or not, when the MotoGP race was there the BT Sport commentary talked about why they have so much of a problem with bumps on the track. It is created by the area having a clay based subsoil which reacts with the extreme temperatures of that region, in other words it is not a stable base on which to lay a track. A better setting for a rally stage! My mind might be playing games with me here, but didn't David Coultard drive a Red Bull around there before they laid the tarmac? If so a rally stage in the making . |
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Post by René on Oct 26, 2021 11:31:28 GMT
A better setting for a rally stage! My mind might be playing games with me here, but didn't David Coultard drive a Red Bull around there before they laid the tarmac? If so a rally stage in the making . Yes he did indeed. I had forgotten about that promo stunt.  2011! |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 26, 2021 11:36:14 GMT
My mind might be playing games with me here, but didn't David Coultard drive a Red Bull around there before they laid the tarmac? If so a rally stage in the making . Yes he did indeed. I had forgotten about that promo stunt. 2011! Should have put Sebastien Loeb in the car though . |
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Post by René on Oct 26, 2021 11:47:27 GMT
Yes he did indeed. I had forgotten about that promo stunt. 2011! Should have put Sebastien Loeb in the car though . Yeah, he would probably have come close to the F1 times!  |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 26, 2021 11:55:38 GMT
Should have put Sebastien Loeb in the car though . Yeah, he would probably have come close to the F1 times! Some aspects of the David Coultard photo reminds me of those great early 20th century motor racing events that we often come across. Maybe motor sport should return to dirt roads for all categories  . |
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Post by Carl on Oct 26, 2021 17:59:57 GMT
Yeah, he would probably have come close to the F1 times! Some aspects of the David Coultard photo reminds me of those great early 20th century motor racing events that we often come across. Maybe motor sport should return to dirt roads for all categories . John, Your idea has great merit! Learning traction control on dirt tracks honed the greatness of many drivers and riders, Mario Andretti and Kenny Roberts foremost. In an article about famous early American Barney Oldfield, MotorSport magazine credited him with inventing opposite-lock steering while searching for speed on the horse racing oval tracks from which the American oval tradition developed. Tally-ho! Cheers, Carl |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 27, 2021 17:53:57 GMT
Some aspects of the David Coultard photo reminds me of those great early 20th century motor racing events that we often come across. Maybe motor sport should return to dirt roads for all categories . John, Your idea has great merit! Learning traction control on dirt tracks honed the greatness of many drivers and riders, Mario Andretti and Kenny Roberts foremost. In an article about famous early American Barney Oldfield, MotorSport magazine credited him with inventing opposite-lock steering while searching for speed on the horse racing oval tracks from which the American oval tradition developed. Tally-ho! Cheers, Carl Carl, Absolutely, and I remember you introducing me to the skills of Barney Oldfield a short while ago. I believe that John Surtees began racing on what we call Grass Track which is a sort of Speedway but out in fields rather than a stadium. Cheers John |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 27, 2021 17:59:50 GMT
I have just read a piece by Mark Hughes at Motorsport about the "duel" between Max and SLH, according to him the RB cars are far easier on the rear tyres than the MB vehicles. He is heaping praise on SLH by the bucket load in this article which is a bit hard to take to be honest.
Regarding the tyre wear issue, I had read that the RB cars were actually running on very well worn tyres at the end and this was from several sources , yet Mark Hughes says it was not the case. He also stated that the Red Bull was the better & faster car at COTA and that the area MB were ahead was in straight line speed.
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 28, 2021 8:29:56 GMT
I have just read a piece by Mark Hughes at Motorsport about the "duel" between Max and SLH, according to him the RB cars are far easier on the rear tyres than the MB vehicles. He is heaping praise on SLH by the bucket load in this article which is a bit hard to take to be honest. Regarding the tyre wear issue, I had read that the RB cars were actually running on very well worn tyres at the end and this was from several sources , yet Mark Hughes says it was not the case. He also stated that the Red Bull was the better & faster car at COTA and that the area MB were ahead was in straight line speed. I also felt there was a bit of a bias, Charles, and not for the first time in the last 18 months. Peter Windsor's YouTube review of the race also differs somewhat from Mark Hughes' version. Whilst I don't have a problem with praise where it's due I never picked up in previous years how superior the Mercedes cars were as often as I have heard the Red Bull is better this year. I also don't like insincerity. My view is that since 2014 Mercedes have had such a big performance advantage, or the huge resources necessary to develop the car during the season, that until this year they have never been pushed to the point of unreliability. In fact Mercedes have now taken 10 ICEs instead of six. Honda have used eight but the two extra were because of damage caused to the motor after collisions with Mercedes. |
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Post by mikael on Oct 28, 2021 19:51:42 GMT
Yes, Verstappen will indeed be a most worthy and deserving World Champion.
It will also be poetic justice if Honda takes the title - finally. The ridicule of them by a certain driver was something I found very hard to stomach. Actually, I think it's unforgivable; and a World Championship would be a most fitting tribute to the original (Soichiro) Honda spirit, to their great commitment in recent years and, not the least, to their never-say-die attitude.
(Sorry about my lateness. I have been a bit "preoccupied" with many things lately.)
Soichiro Honda (1964)
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