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Post by René on Jul 11, 2021 13:28:59 GMT
Great memorabilia René, what an autograph to have in your collection. Nice photos too, it is as you say always good to share with like minds. Thanks JC, I know it's appreciated here. As for the autograph, he actually didn't gave it to me personally. I was in the paddock on the saturday collecting autographs and I knew Carlos was in the Williams tent but he was very difficult to approach for the fans. I walked around the tent and there was a small window where I saw Frank Williams inside. I called him and asked for his autograph. He seemed a bit surprised that a young kid wanted his signature but of course he gave it to me. Then I asked if he could get me Carlos's autograph as I saw him sitting inside the tent. Frank laughed at my cleverness and of course he went to Carlos to sign my piece of paper. So I also have Frank's autograph!   |
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Post by charleselan on Jul 11, 2021 16:13:41 GMT
Great memorabilia René, what an autograph to have in your collection. Nice photos too, it is as you say always good to share with like minds. Thanks JC, I know it's appreciated here. As for the autograph, he actually didn't gave it to me personally. I was in the paddock on the saturday collecting autographs and I knew Carlos was in the Williams tent but he was very difficult to approach for the fans. I walked around the tent and there was a small window where I saw Frank Williams inside. I called him and asked for his autograph. He seemed a bit surprised that a young kid wanted his signature but of course he gave it to me. Then I asked if he could get me Carlos's autograph as I saw him sitting inside the tent. Frank laughed at my cleverness and of course he went to Carlos to sign my piece of paper. So I also have Frank's autograph! That sounds like a good scoop to me, I bet that actually tickled Frank. I take it AJ wasn't present at the time as you could have had his autograph as well . |
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Post by René on Jul 11, 2021 17:13:58 GMT
Thanks JC, I know it's appreciated here. As for the autograph, he actually didn't gave it to me personally. I was in the paddock on the saturday collecting autographs and I knew Carlos was in the Williams tent but he was very difficult to approach for the fans. I walked around the tent and there was a small window where I saw Frank Williams inside. I called him and asked for his autograph. He seemed a bit surprised that a young kid wanted his signature but of course he gave it to me. Then I asked if he could get me Carlos's autograph as I saw him sitting inside the tent. Frank laughed at my cleverness and of course he went to Carlos to sign my piece of paper. So I also have Frank's autograph! That sounds like a good scoop to me, I bet that actually tickled Frank. I take it AJ wasn't present at the time as you could have had his autograph as well . It certainly did tickle Frank, I remember that. It was clear to him I was after Carlos's autograph, not his. But he didn't mind, on the contrary, he liked my approach.
As for Jonesy, I do have his also. But he gave it to me personally a few hours earlier. He was actually very friendly to the fans.
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Post by mikael on Jul 11, 2021 19:16:58 GMT
Impressive you managed to keep your autograph collection so carefully, René. Some of them may go on to become quite valuable ("pricey") if they aren't already.
I never managed to get autographs from GP drivers and the like. However, the local (and no longer existing) speedway/motocross track (called "Ørnedalsbanen" = Eagle Valley Track), some 8 km from my childhood home, actually arranged a few international speedway races, and on those occasions I got the autographs of "the stars of the day", like Ole Olsen and Ivan Mauger. However, those notebooks (containing them) are long lost ...
"Stena Cup" 28 may 1978
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 12, 2021 7:56:15 GMT
Charles I thought your article on Carlos was excellent and heartfelt. Thank you.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 12, 2021 19:11:11 GMT
Charles I thought your article on Carlos was excellent and heartfelt. Thank you. Cheers Rob, I tried my best for someone I respected and liked a great deal. |
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Post by charleselan on Jul 12, 2021 19:14:14 GMT
That sounds like a good scoop to me, I bet that actually tickled Frank. I take it AJ wasn't present at the time as you could have had his autograph as well . It certainly did tickle Frank, I remember that. It was clear to him I was after Carlos's autograph, not his. But he didn't mind, on the contrary, he liked my approach.
As for Jonesy, I do have his also. But he gave it to me personally a few hours earlier. He was actually very friendly to the fans.
Well René I am sure in some convoluted way the AJ autograph would fit in with your Ferrari collection as Jonesy always likes to tell everyone that he was offered the Pironi replacement ride in the 126C2 at Monza, but told Ferrari he wanted to think about it. Ferrari chose not to wait and gave it to Mario instead. So AJ was a possible Ferrari pilot  . JC |
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 12, 2021 19:57:39 GMT
Not sure if Jonsey would have fitted into the Ferrari. I seem to remember him trying to fit into an Arrow or similar car at Long Beach and he had expnded to Mansell like proportions by then. Not sure if it was 1982 or 83, probably the latter.
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Post by René on Jul 13, 2021 10:50:37 GMT
Impressive you managed to keep your autograph collection so carefully, René. Some of them may go on to become quite valuable ("pricey") if they aren't already.
I never managed to get autographs from GP drivers and the like. However, the local (and no longer existing) speedway/motocross track (called "Ørnedalsbanen" = Eagle Valley Track), some 8 km from my childhood home, actually arranged a few international speedway races, and on those occasions I got the autographs of "the stars of the day", like Ole Olsen and Ivan Mauger. However, those notebooks (containing them) are long lost ...
"Stena Cup" 28 may 1978
Thanks Mikael,
In the first few years I collected all the photos and signatures in scrapbooks. I stopped doing that after 1984 so all that stuff is in boxes but the first years are very organized and that was also the time when I collected most autographs. And I always treasured the scrapbooks.
Indeed some of the autographs could make some money now but they are worth more to me. I guess Gilles Villeneuve's is the most valuable I have.
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Post by René on Jul 13, 2021 10:51:49 GMT
It certainly did tickle Frank, I remember that. It was clear to him I was after Carlos's autograph, not his. But he didn't mind, on the contrary, he liked my approach. As for Jonesy, I do have his also. But he gave it to me personally a few hours earlier. He was actually very friendly to the fans. Well René I am sure in some convoluted way the AJ autograph would fit in with your Ferrari collection as Jonesy always likes to tell everyone that he was offered the Pironi replacement ride in the 126C2 at Monza, but told Ferrari he wanted to think about it. Ferrari chose not to wait and gave it to Mario instead. So AJ was a possible Ferrari pilot . JC
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Post by René on Jul 13, 2021 10:54:29 GMT
Not sure if Jonsey would have fitted into the Ferrari. I seem to remember him trying to fit into an Arrow or similar car at Long Beach and he had expnded to Mansell like proportions by then. Not sure if it was 1982 or 83, probably the latter.
In every aspect Jones would not have fitted in the Ferrari!
Mario did. 
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Post by charleselan on Jul 13, 2021 11:06:29 GMT
Not sure if Jonsey would have fitted into the Ferrari. I seem to remember him trying to fit into an Arrow or similar car at Long Beach and he had expnded to Mansell like proportions by then. Not sure if it was 1982 or 83, probably the latter. Rob, It was less than a year after he retired so although a chunky chap I think he would have fitted OK. AJ then went on to drive the Arrows for a few races in 1983 as you mention, at Long Beach he went quite well; and then onto the "comeback" in the Beatrice Lola-Ford. I find it mystifying why he retired as he did and then came back a short time later in much less competitive vehicles, maybe he got short of money . The other question is that Williams rated him so highly, so why not resign him if wanted he to comeback, or was that yet more F1 BS and politics. JC |
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 13, 2021 14:49:40 GMT
Charles I think AJ was a person who acted a bit on the spur of the moment at times. I think his first retirement may have had something to do with his marriage. I think by the time he came back in 1984 with the Beatrice sponsored Lola, Williams had Rosberg plus I don't think Williams re employed drivers who had left them, especially in the lurch like he did at the end of 1981.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 14, 2021 10:12:22 GMT
Charles I think AJ was a person who acted a bit on the spur of the moment at times. I think his first retirement may have had something to do with his marriage. I think by the time he came back in 1984 with the Beatrice sponsored Lola, Williams had Rosberg plus I don't think Williams re employed drivers who had left them, especially in the lurch like he did at the end of 1981. That is an interesting thought Rob. Williams were not known for re-employing drivers as you suggest. However Keke used to get annoyed at Patrick head always referring to how AJ would have done things, as if he were the messiah or something similar. Doubt that AJ would have been as good in those Williams Honda's as Keke was, he had his day in the full on ground effect FW07's where his bullish strength played to his strength a bit like Mansell in the active ride cars in later years. |
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Post by charleselan on Jul 26, 2021 12:31:29 GMT
Last night while surfing through YouTube I came across this brilliant little film of Carlos Reutemann testing the Ferrari T3 at Paul Ricard and it also features Gilles, all in Italian but one can get the gist of what is being said, also wonderful to hear the voices of these two incredible drivers.
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