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Post by René on Jun 30, 2021 13:26:32 GMT
Different name for the Grand Prix but same place, same people, same cars. Not the tires however which will be one grade softer. And the weather, maybe the weather is different. And it will be a full house for the first time this year. The grandstands will be packed and expect to see a lot of orange... the prelude to a fourth Covid wave without a doubt… Can we expect anything different from last weekend? Max is the favorite for sure but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mercedes find a way to reduce the gap. Also read that Mercedes will bring updates to the car soon so they’re not giving up just yet. I expect/hope Ferrari to be 'best of the rest' based on their race pace which was really good. The Ferrari is on par with the Bull and the Merc in cornering speed but still loses out on the straights and has a tendency to 'eat' its tires like in France. Hopefully they can do better this time. But let’s wait and see. Rain would be nice!
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Post by mikael on Jun 30, 2021 18:58:56 GMT
Looking at the picture of Brambilla at the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix, I recall being amused by the following humorous description of the end/conclusion of this race in the book, "Formula 1 - 50 Golden Years" (1998). To cite:Looking at this short (but excellent) recording of the incident, one can almost feel and hear this clang ...
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Post by Carl on Jun 30, 2021 19:30:24 GMT
Looking at the picture of Brambilla at the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix, I recall being amused by the following humorous description of the end/conclusion of this race in the book, "Formula 1 - 50 Golden Years" (1998). To cite:Looking at this short (but excellent) recording of the incident, one can almost feel and hear this clang ... I remember watching very early in the morning and Vittorio's well-deserved exuberance brought a smile to my face.  |
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Post by René on Jun 30, 2021 19:38:18 GMT
Looking at the picture of Brambilla at the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix, I recall being amused by the following humorous description of the end/conclusion of this race in the book, "Formula 1 - 50 Golden Years" (1998). To cite:Looking at this short (but excellent) recording of the incident, one can almost feel and hear this clang ... I remember watching very early in the morning and Vittorio's well-deserved exuberance brought a smile to my face. Yes, the crash after finishing was probably not what Vittorio had in mind but his first and only win became part of Formula One’s folklore. |
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Post by robmarsh on Jun 30, 2021 19:58:42 GMT
Some of the more uncharitable people at the time said it was because the car was underweight and by knocking bits off it would be hard to prove. Not sure where I read that but don't think it was in Motorsport. I believe it was down to his sheer joy at winning.
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Post by mikael on Jul 1, 2021 7:28:55 GMT
Some of the more uncharitable people at the time said it was because the car was underweight and by knocking bits off it would be hard to prove. Not sure where I read that but don't think it was in Motorsport. I believe it was down to his sheer joy at winning. Yes, it seems hard to believe that that was done on purpose ... The estimate of 140 mph (225 km/h) may not be far off, and merely a buckled front appears to have been a very lucky outcome from that spin. It could easily have ended much worse - in that weather, it was completely beyond the control of Brambilla. |
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 1, 2021 7:34:20 GMT
Yep Michael I agree. It seems some people in Formula 1 can't grasp the fact that there are days when they can get beaten on pure merit and not down to some skullduggery by anyone. Seems to be ever thus.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 1, 2021 13:07:40 GMT
The March 751 in the glorious orange Beta Tools livery is yet another brilliant car from this amazing period of our sport. I just loved that car, far more in fact than its sibling the 761 which just looked bigger and not as neat. I think the body work design is superb on the 751 and carried on the trait of using an uprated Formula Two design as March's F1 car.
The car was apparently quite stiffly sprung and made it very like a kart to drive, and proved very competitive in Vittorio's hands on a number of occasions that year. At the British GP it appeared on the Friday practice with a very interesting rear wing arrangement that had deep end plates with horizontal trays at the bottom of each end plate directly behind the rear wheels. It did not race like that and never appeared again to my knowledge but it looked spectacular, Robin Herd had quiet a fertile mind in those days.
Vittorio Brambilla was a far better driver than he was ever given credit for. He did not look anything like your traditional
Grand Prix driver, more like the owner of a small garage that one could trust to do a good job on any vehicle. He was according to Robin Herd a very fine development driver as well, and on his day very quick. He and his brother Tino built some very fine F2 motors in their earlier days but unfortunately he gained a label in those days of being a bit robust, hence the nickname "The Monza Gorilla". Fortunately that title left him in later years, although he did have the odd accident along the way as in Austria in 1975.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 1, 2021 16:17:08 GMT
There were some beautiful cars in 1975, two being the March 751 and the Ferrari 312T but I also like the 1975 Tyrrell 007, the Shadow, the Mclaren M23 with the long sidepods and short nose, The Brrabham BT44B in it's very tasteful Martini livery and even the venerable Lotus 72 was pretty in in 1975 guise though not as nice as the 1974 version.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 1, 2021 18:27:52 GMT
There were some beautiful cars in 1975, two being the March 751 and the Ferrari 312T but I also like the 1975 Tyrrell 007, the Shadow, the Mclaren M23 with the long sidepods and short nose, The Brrabham BT44B in it's very tasteful Martini livery and even the venerable Lotus 72 was pretty in in 1975 guise though not as nice as the 1974 version. Absolutely, every one of those you list were wonderful looking race cars. I did prefer the 1974 Brabham BT44 in its very plain white colour scheme and unsponsored but the Martini cars were very attractive, also one must not forget the Hesketh 308 which was a time looking vehicle. |
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 2, 2021 7:16:26 GMT
Yep I agree the Hesketh that James won the Dutch GP in was a great vehicle. I loved the simplicity of it's livery as well.
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Post by Carl on Jul 2, 2021 18:21:23 GMT
When two commentators who should know better express hope for enough tyre degradation in order that two pit stops become necessary, and agree this will provide more excitement, that's not racing.
In my opinion, Pirelli are incompetent. One compound with one pitstop for fresh tyres should be the mandated goal. Probably to satisfy their own egos, team strategists have taken an important element of control away from the drivers and unwittingly orchestrated a subversion of racing.
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Post by charleselan on Jul 2, 2021 18:46:35 GMT
Unfortunately Carl a great deal of it tends to be orchestrated in some way or another these days, and all because there does not appear to anyone who can come up with a set of regulations that allow for "proper" racing.
I find the ridiculous DRS to be so flaming stupid that only a fool would think it allows real racing. How can it be that they have a system that allows a following car a free pass, no matter how good the driver in front may be. I can only imagine Chris Amon in 1967 praying to god for such a device in the many races he endured sat behind Jack Brabham.
As you say we then have tyres that are deliberately designed to degrade so that pit stops become a necessity, even though we have Croft et al rejoicing at the ability of some drivers to make their tyres last a few laps longer than other competitors.
We then also have the absurd spectacle of them driving around in the race sometimes 10 seconds slower than they actually qualified, all to preserve fuel and tyre life expectancy, this is Formula One!
Back in 1985 we had cars running to strict fuel limits and in the early season races we saw guys running short in the closing laps. however by mid season the engine manufacturers had largely got that sorted and they raced hard from flag to flag re Keke Rosberg at Brands Hatch and Kyalami, no lift and coast for the Flying Finn.
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Post by mikael on Jul 3, 2021 10:22:50 GMT
Unfortunately Carl a great deal of it tends to be orchestrated in some way or another these days, and all because there does not appear to anyone who can come up with a set of regulations that allow for "proper" racing.
Yes, it does seem like F1 has become convoluted into a myriad of problems and unfortunate remedies of these, which just have made things worse. At the same time, it seems that there is a clear consensus that MotoGP is working well, and is, actually, in a "golden period".
Perhaps F1 needs a far-reaching "reset", stipulated by a strong-minded and non-corruptible leader of the FIA. He/she should understand - and carry through - what would be good for the sport, and not what would be good for the large manufacturers.
I am not a great follower of MotoGP at present, I must admit, but it do seem that this is much closer to the origin of Grand Prix racing:
* It's much more rider versus rider than it's team versus team.
* There's no radio contact - the rider is very much "out there" on his own.
* Thus, there's no "space mission control centre" behind each rider.
There are so many things that could (and should) be removed from F1 - and all for the better - that would imply huge cost reductions.
But of course, the teams will wish to protect their huge investments; and the strategists et al. will wish to protect their own jobs. So the FIA would need a strong leader who would dare to say, "Yes, but we will need get rid of this. We will need to make it illegal. And that's how it will be. End of discussion!" Maybe a bit like Jean-Marie Balestre. A bit, at least ...
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Post by René on Jul 3, 2021 15:47:43 GMT
Yep I agree the Hesketh that James won the Dutch GP in was a great vehicle. I loved the simplicity of it's livery as well. Yep, a cool car!    |
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