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Post by charleselan on Sept 25, 2020 18:24:37 GMT
This is the Jochen Rindt book that I have seen on Amazon, now priced at £109 phew! It is from the McKlein library of photos and there are some stunning images in the book when seen on the "Look Inside" on Amazon.  |
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Post by chrisb on Sept 25, 2020 18:36:40 GMT
am puzzled, in truth by many things but in this instance according to my William Taylor Lotus the marque book as follows:
Lotus 56 - Indycar 1968 [as if we need reminding]
57 - as above but designed for F1 - only one built in 1968- never raced
63 F1 4 wd 2 built in 1969
Lotus 56B - the F1 equivalent only one built in 1971 and raced 21st March 1971 at Brands for the RoC
it's pretty clear Chapman was planning to race the 56B and was waiting for Pratt and Witney to get the equivalent ratio right and given the surmise that this would have been planned in 1970 at least Jochen would have been aware of it but no indications as to its readiness for a further six months hence
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Post by chrisb on Sept 25, 2020 18:38:17 GMT
Carl, by a strange coincidence I have one of my Grandfathers travelling trunks upstairs complete with a White Star label, fortunately not the Titanic or its sister ship that was torpedoed
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Post by Carl on Sept 25, 2020 19:02:40 GMT
Carl, by a strange coincidence I have one of my Grandfathers travelling trunks upstairs complete with a White Star label, fortunately not the Titanic or its sister ship that was torpedoed
Chris my friend, By another coincidence I had just moved my reply into its own space! Here it is.
Many events are made better or worse by a single variable, one fallen domino by itself defining death or deliverance. What if the White Star Line had not been eager for a maiden voyage speed record in 1912? Most rational people would rather have an abundance of luck than intelligence because luck is more reliable. |
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Post by robmarsh on Sept 26, 2020 8:40:59 GMT
The following is an extract from Lunch with Peter Warr in the July 2008 edition of MotorSport magazine. It is virtually the same as what was said in his book. It may be seen as a cover up but to me makes a lot of sense. In Mark Hughes book on the 1970 season one of the most consistent themes is how much an impact the tyres had on the various cars' performances.
When we got to Monza three weeks later the 72 wasn’t that quick in a straight line, mainly because it had such wonderful downforce. Jochen said he wanted the rear wing taken off. It had never run in that configuration, and Colin was against it, but Jochen insisted he wanted the wing off and a 204mph top gear, for ultimate straightline speed. But he didn’t adjust the brake balance, and without the downforce of the rear wing it would have had too much braking on the rear. Firestone had a hard rear tyre for the left side and a softer one for the right, because Monza is mainly right-hand corners:
the harder tyre took longer to come in. If you add all those things together you’ve got the ingredients for an accident.
“Jochen went out to qualify on the Saturday morning, and I think quite simply when he got to the Parabolica, with too much braking on the rear and the left rear tyre not fully warmed up, he hit the brakes and the car started to fish-tail. It went one way, he caught it, it went the other way, and barrelled into the Armco. The nose went under the Armco and the car swapped ends, and went along it backwards. That tore the front pedal box off, which dragged him down the cockpit because he wasn’t wearing his crotch straps – he never liked them – and the lap belts broke his neck. I am convinced that the front brake shaft was broken by the impact with the barrier, and did not break before the accident and cause it. We went on to use the same shafts on the 72 for six seasons.
As has been stated above by many of you, what caused the accident pales in significance compared to the fact that a person was killed. The more important result is that due to the focus on safety since those days ,a similar type of accident does not cause a fatality or barely anything worse than being winded these days.
Imagine the outcry had the likes of Raikonnen, Hamilton, Russell, Grosjean, Perez, Kiviat, Latife and Stroll been killed in a period of four years.
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Post by charleselan on Sept 26, 2020 10:58:59 GMT
Last evening I viewed another film about Jochen Rindt which has a German commentary and is different from the excellent one posted earlier by René. It has similarities to the one produced recently by S*YF1, and to my mind even better. It is actually so good to see the really human side of both Helmut Marko and Bernie Ecclestone, also to see Jochen & Nina's daughter.
It does feature footage of that terrible accident which I hate watching as I have never liked seeing racing accidents ket alone ones in which people died; sadly some rather sick individuals like to feature them on YouTube which I find disgusting. I must say that the footage does tend to open up Peter Warr's description posted by Rob above for some debate. What I see in this graphic film is Jochen's car hitting the guard rail with huge force and then ricocheting off the barrier spinning like a Catherine Wheel and then coming to rest with poor Jochen inside.
It also shows photographs of the wrecked car and some close up shots of the broken brake shaft.
The last para of your comment above Rob is so very apt, yet painful when one remembers all those young drivers who died in what was the most perilous period in our sport. These days it seems absurd that someone would step into a fragile aluminium structure surrounded by fuel tanks that would erupt on the slightest of impacts, and drive it flat out on some of the most challenging of arenas known to man. In the film Jackie Stewart says that his wife Helen counted something like 46 drivers that were lost in that period alone.
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Post by chrisb on Sept 27, 2020 6:53:05 GMT
beautiful words chaps, honouring and respecting our fallen stars, but my word i just can't get away from the tragedy of it all and what all of them could have gone onto achieve, all sadly missed
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Post by René on Sept 27, 2020 9:52:21 GMT
Thanks for sharing the Lunch with Peter Warr extract Rob. Gives another perspective again.
JC, that documentary is wonderful. What a loss to the sport.
And regarding the 56B, it's clear the car was already in development and had a name in 1970 but maybe Lotus and Rindt just mentioned it to frighten the competition? Announcing yet another new car right after the dominant 72, that must have made some worried in the paddock. Even if it wasn't ready yet.
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Post by charleselan on Sept 27, 2020 15:51:57 GMT
Thanks for sharing the Lunch with Peter Warr extract Rob. Gives another perspective again. JC, that documentary is wonderful. What a loss to the sport. And regarding the 56B, it's clear the car was already in development and had a name in 1970 but maybe Lotus and Rindt just mentioned it to frighten the competition? Announcing yet another new car right after the dominant 72, that must have made some worried in the paddock. Even if it wasn't ready yet. So pleased you liked the film René, I had a feeling you would as you probably understood more of the narrative than us none German speaking members, although I do speak a few words myself as I once had a German girlfriend. Jochen Rindt was a huge loss and I wonder if he would have had a big influence upon Bernie Ecclestone as the years progressed and they had been in partnership. He really was a very switched on guy commercially, the Jochen Rindt Show in Austria being a prime example. |
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Post by chrisb on Sept 28, 2020 8:12:34 GMT
totally agree Chaps, I think Jochen would have gone onto running the FIA and my word wouldn't that have been fun,
you know watching the race in Russia it just struck me that for a tyre barrier to have been in place at Monza or even at Hockenhiem that awful day we wouldn't be writing these words, a tyre barrier
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Post by mikael on May 26, 2021 6:04:09 GMT
Came across this page ("post of the day") , thanks to a LinkedIn post:
The site/homepage itself - "The Human Side of Racing" - appears to be very interesting, with many truly excellent photos:
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Post by chrisb on May 26, 2021 16:43:26 GMT
what a lovely collection of phtos, brings back some lovely memories, not just our stars but the quieter ones as well like Thierry Boutsen - who if memory is correct was quite close to Ayrton,
thank you Mikael
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Post by Carl on May 26, 2021 17:13:03 GMT
Came across this page ("post of the day") , thanks to a LinkedIn post:
The site/homepage itself - "The Human Side of Racing" - appears to be very interesting, with many truly excellent photos:
Mikael, Thanks for posting a very cool website with access to great photographs and articles. I believe the photograph of Jochen Rindt and Colin Chapman above the feature article was taken at Monza on the fateful Saturday.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by charleselan on May 26, 2021 18:50:43 GMT
Came across this page ("post of the day") , thanks to a LinkedIn post:
The site/homepage itself - "The Human Side of Racing" - appears to be very interesting, with many truly excellent photos:
What a good web site with some superb photos, particularly the portraits, many thanks Mikael indeed, a great find. |
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Post by René on May 27, 2021 11:34:36 GMT
Great link to a wonderful website! Thanks Mikael!
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