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Post by charleselan on Aug 10, 2020 11:23:16 GMT
His P45 maybe   . |
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Post by charleselan on Aug 10, 2020 11:36:22 GMT
Reading between the lines not only is Laurence Stroll stirring up a hornets nest but also Tonto. The latter has made a few comments over the weekend that have been less than conciliatory and to be honest inflammatory. It would appear that the FIA found that MB sent some rear brake ducts from the 2019 car to the Pink MB team, so no matter what Tonto asserts that was not within the rules or regulations.
Pink MB claimed to have made everything from photographs in their quest to copy the 2019 MB, both lot caught with their pants down I feel. Tonto also stated that Stroll was very angry and that he is very wealthy and does not like loosing, which more or less implied that he was going to attempt to bully his way out of the mire. Umm! Sounds like some governments that i could mention. This ain't going to end well.
Tonto needs to get a grip on reality as he is just an employee of MB at the end of the day, and the board are not going to take kindly to someone acting like a grifter in their name. If MB are looking for a way out of F1 then he is giving them ample ammunition.
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Post by robmarsh on Aug 10, 2020 14:41:19 GMT
Reading between the lines not only is Laurence Stroll stirring up a hornets nest but also Tonto. The latter has made a few comments over the weekend that have been less than conciliatory and to be honest inflammatory. It would appear that the FIA found that MB sent some rear brake ducts from the 2019 car to the Pink MB team, so no matter what Tonto asserts that was not within the rules or regulations. Pink MB claimed to have made everything from photographs in their quest to copy the 2019 MB, both lot caught with their pants down I feel. Tonto also stated that Stroll was very angry and that he is very wealthy and does not like loosing, which more or less implied that he was going to attempt to bully his way out of the mire. Umm! Sounds like some governments that i could mention. This ain't going to end well. Tonto needs to get a grip on reality as he is just an employee of MB at the end of the day, and the board are not going to take kindly to someone acting like a grifter in their name. If MB are looking for a way out of F1 then he is giving them ample ammunition. Good points Charles especially the last one. I have had a feeling all season that this is Mercedes last hurrah. As an automotive company whose share price has fallen pretty dramatically over the last few years as well as sales volume I think they will be finding it increasingly difficult to justify 400 million euro per annum. Tonto is kind of reminding me of Samson in the temple. |
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Post by chrisb on Aug 10, 2020 16:37:23 GMT
His P45 maybe . please |
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Post by chrisb on Aug 10, 2020 16:38:57 GMT
maybe my alleged rumour of MB pulling out isn't so outlandish as first thought
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Post by charleselan on Aug 10, 2020 21:09:13 GMT
I see that Tonto is now trying to play the mediator role between Pink MB and the FIA. Good luck with that one son, seeing as you are in it yourself up to your eyeballs.
Actually Chris I hope you are right and MB do withdraw their factory squad, for obvious reasons.
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Post by mikael on Aug 11, 2020 21:05:33 GMT
Yes, a good race, actually - and a great result. In particular: I'm very happy for Honda! Regarding the Racing Point saga, the rules are as they, yet it makes little sense, I think, that a car from last season can't be copied - intellectual property or not. An ideal solution would be that the cars of last season could (or should!) be put up for sale. ----- My hobby-horse yet again; but that's how it's done (or, at least, how it used to be done - in the 80's, at least) in motocross: the manufacturers sell off their factory bikes at the end of the season. By then, new ideas are piled up, and the "old" bikes are obsolete at the World Championship level. (I remember how impressed I was when we (my father and I) were invited to dinner by one my father's old motorsport-friends after the Danish motocross Championship finals in 1980 (which we went to see). The son of that friend became the Danish Champion in the senior 125cc class that season, riding - actually - a genuine 1979 Kawasaki factory racer, which the Danish Kawasaki importer had acquired for him. (So the spirits at that dinner were high, I recall.) It was a well-known fact that the 1980 model that you could buy was very similar to the factory-racer of the previous year - that's how it used to be - but perhaps a real factory racer was, actually, a little bit faster - after all. As a novice "moto-cross'er", I remember clearly how deeply it impressed me to see ( and sit on!) a real factory racer!)
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Post by charleselan on Aug 12, 2020 14:49:51 GMT
Yes, a good race, actually - and a great result. In particular: I'm very happy for Honda! Regarding the Racing Point saga, the rules are as they, yet it makes little sense, I think, that a car from last season can't be copied - intellectual property or not. An ideal solution would be that the cars of last season could (or should!) be put up for sale. ----- My hobby-horse yet again; but that's how it's done (or, at least, how it used to be done - in the 80's, at least) in motocross: the manufacturers sell off their factory bikes at the end of the season. By then, new ideas are piled up, and the "old" bikes are obsolete at the World Championship level. (I remember how impressed I was when we (my father and I) were invited to dinner by one my father's old motorsport-friends after the Danish motocross Championship finals in 1980 (which we went to see). The son of that friend became the Danish Champion in the senior 125cc class that season, riding - actually - a genuine 1979 Kawasaki factory racer, which the Danish Kawasaki importer had acquired for him. (So the spirits at that dinner were high, I recall.) It was a well-known fact that the 1980 model that you could buy was very similar to the factory-racer of the previous year - that's how it used to be - but perhaps a real factory racer was, actually, a little bit faster - after all. As a novice "moto-cross'er", I remember clearly how deeply it impressed me to see ( and sit on!) a real factory racer!)
Nice post Mikael. Back in the 1950/60/70's many of the private teams bought up year old, or more, factory Grand Prix cars; just as you mention with the Motocross manufacturers. This helped fill the grids and allowed the privateers to run quite competitively. Often manufacturers like Lotus & Cooper & Brabham would make customer cars for sale as well. Today with the current set up in F1 many are loathed to allow customer cars as they feel that they would be more competitive than those produced by some of the less well funded teams. With things as they are now I cannot see how one could bring this into play, maybe if there was a really stringent cost cap then it could become an interesting option. In WSB the factories are obliged to sell machines to private teams that are equal to their own "works" bikes in the current regulations and this works exceptionally well from what we have seen this season so far. |
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Post by chrisb on Aug 13, 2020 7:54:20 GMT
great thread, I've always been a bit puzzled why year old cars are not sold off to well funded individuals or teams, most people wouldn't notice any difference, and if it brought the racing closer then surely it would boost the interest, with obvious positive knock on consequences, ie more people watching, more money, more sponsors, etc, i can appreciate that jobs will be lost as a result but then disliking one make series maybe that could be reviewed
of course Colin to begin with made lots of money with his cars being sold off until of course the 24 and 25 saga, which ended that
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