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Post by Carl on Jan 9, 2018 21:19:39 GMT
The enfant terrible is most likely Max Verstappen
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 21:25:39 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 21:28:07 GMT
Who's this.  See you tomorrow night. |
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Post by Jamie on Jan 9, 2018 22:03:09 GMT
This is a bit of a guess as the helmet doesn’t look quite right but is it Ricardo Zunino?
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Post by René on Jan 9, 2018 23:51:30 GMT
Yes, the helmet is a bit confusing. Most definitely a March 782 BMW.
It's not Giacomelli and not Surer. Hmmm...
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Post by charleselan on Jan 9, 2018 23:54:40 GMT
Yes, the helmet is a bit confusing. Most definitely a March 782 BMW. It's not Giacomelli and not Surer. Hmmm... Maybe the aftermath of a high flying young German  . |
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Post by Carl on Jan 10, 2018 3:36:14 GMT
Noble Sir John Charles has provided an essential clue which I shall ignore by venturing that Ferdinand von Zeppelin wore cloth headgear and was never young, but his high-flying and abuse of hydrogen led to several accidents.
At least within the border of Wales, this theory has been accepted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 7:22:59 GMT
Getting close, but nope. I was half hoping some of the English posters might have been at that meeting.
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Post by charleselan on Jan 10, 2018 9:35:31 GMT
Getting close, but nope. I was half hoping some of the English posters might have been at that meeting. If it is as I now believe the Thruxton meeting of 1979 then it would have to be Beppe Gabbiani, following a four car pile up. That was one of the rare occasions that I missed the Easter Monday race, although I did attend practice. Race won by SA Rad Dougall in the Toleman March 782. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 9:50:25 GMT
Hooray!!
Beppe Gabbiani indeed, on a March 792.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 11:20:52 GMT
I didn't recall that shunt - by the look of it Gabbiani was lucky as the car was halved - but I distinctly recall Rad Dougall in the zone the first few races that year for the Toleman team (before they went on building their own chassis) like it was this top driver and then he disappeared back where he came from. Most of times in this sport, those looking from the outside don't know what is really going on. One way to discern is to look at the driver's performance over a time span. |
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Post by charleselan on Jan 10, 2018 11:45:16 GMT
I didn't recall that shunt - by the look of it Gabbiani was lucky as the car was halved - but I distinctly recall Rad Dougall in the zone the first few races that year for the Toleman team (before they went on building their own chassis) like it was this top driver and then he disappeared back where he came from. Most of times in this sport, those looking from the outside don't know what is really going on. One way to discern is to look at the driver's performance over a time span. Apparently the March 792 was not a pleasant car to drive as it was overweight and generated too much downforce making it heavy to handle. It was indeed a lucky day for Gabbiani as you state; I was shocked to read a while ago that Beppe is now 61 years of age, makes you wonder where the time goes. Toleman were running the new Ralt chassis that year, but it was short on development until Rory Byrne began modifying it, and then Brian Henton began to fly in it. The Toleman TG280 came out the following year and was Rory's own work and Henton won the championship. With regard to Rad Dougall I have a feeling that he had problems with his leg following a serious breakage and could not apply the necessary pressure on the brake pedal; he certainly had some talent but with no mechanical assistance his career was hampered. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 13:43:10 GMT
I recall "Crazy Horse" Gabbiani as a kid (he had the face of a teenager) in the Italian F3, together with De Angelis they were the two top guns. Long time ago indeed.
Dougall having problems with an injured leg rings a bell.
Another "top gun" of the Italian F3, the next year to Gabbiani and Elio, was Sigi Stohr. He was probably the quickest Toleman F2 driver, as a privateer with Alan Docking, in 1980. I have just read his new autobiography.
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Post by charleselan on Jan 10, 2018 15:24:48 GMT
Yes! Gabbiani was quick but too erratic for the most part; produced some great results in F2 when at his best.
I do remember Siggi Strohl, a quick driver indeed. Another very quick guy in the "private" Toleman was poor Jo Gartner.
Brian Henton was a very worthy champion in 1980; he was a sort of Mansell type driver, full of grit and determination but his career wasn't as well starred. The pathetic UK motor sport media named him "Super Hen" which was truly awful but somewhat predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 15:45:18 GMT
"Top gun" was way too generous.
Beppe was actually useless, a bit like De Cesaris: quick - perhaps - but utterly deficient upstairs. And that, I'm afraid, is a killer! He had a promising half season one year in F2 leading the standings with few wins, but then it went pear-shaped, perhaps not his fault, to be fair to him.
Stohr, I don't know, I can't really assess him. He was good in F3 and F2, not as Giacomelli and Patrese had been. In his book he says that Byrne was looking at his setups in F2 on the first Toleman chassis. |
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