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Post by chrisb on Mar 15, 2023 12:44:16 GMT
That’s the one thanks Rene
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Post by Carl on Mar 23, 2023 17:59:19 GMT
A well done condensation of the 1965 German Grand Prix, with great sounds and even greater driving. You can clearly hear Jim Clark's on and off throttle technique in the corners, later adopted by Ayrton Senna, as John noted earlier. An indication of the dangers at that time is that six of the top ten qualifiers died in a race car.
1. 1 Jim Clark Lotus-Climax 8:22.7
2. 10 Jackie Stewart BRM 8:26.1
3. 9 Graham Hill BRM 8:26.8
4. 7 John Surtees Ferrari 8:27.0
5. 5 Dan Gurney Brabham-Climax 8:29.0
6. 2 Mike Spence Lotus-Climax 8:33.4
7. 8 Lorenzo Bandini Ferrari 8:33.8
8. 12 Jochen Rindt Cooper-Climax 8:37.5
9. 16 Jo Bonnier Brabham-Climax 8:37.9
10. 11 Bruce McLaren Cooper-Climax 8:39
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Post by René on Mar 23, 2023 19:50:48 GMT
Fantastic. I was born in 1965 so must have been a few months old at the time.  The Lotus was the best car and Clark clearly the fastest Lotus driver. That has always been the way of Formula 1. But still, this was much more compelling than what we see today. Seeing the drivers working their cars on an amazing track surrounded by trees and grass. No bullet proof reliability and injury or death never far away. Different times. |
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Post by chrisb on Mar 24, 2023 17:41:47 GMT
Was the Lotus the best car? The Ferrari and BRM engines were more powerful, the Brabham-Climax was a pretty good car and not far off if not built better, one thing was certain was Jimmy was the best driver
There was a strange what if vlog on YouTube by someone called Adrian millward who did a programme that Jimmy had survived Hockenheim and carried on to win Le Mans in 68, along with another 4 world championships and Monaco in 68, I added winning Indy in 68 to boot, it was fascinating to watch someone else have the same thoughts as John and I once had
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Post by Carl on Mar 24, 2023 18:43:44 GMT
Chris,
Jim Clark would have won several more Formula One World Championships, almost certainly in 1968, 1970 and 1972. In 1965 I saw him drive the troubled Lotus 40 into second place to Hap Sharp's much faster Chaparral 2A at Riverside. Getting the absolute most from whatever car he drove was part of his magical ability. For that remarkable result and his stupendous year, the cheers on the cool down lap were far loudest for the young Scot.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by mikael on Mar 25, 2023 10:02:25 GMT
A well done condensation of the 1965 German Grand Prix, with great sounds and even greater driving.
It's really an extremely enjoyable movie to watch, Carl. That it is unspoiled by narration/commentary makes it so much the more valuable. A real treasure.
Again, watching the movie makes me puzzled as to how Clark could be so gentle on his car; because he appears to be really "on it" - much more so than any of the other drivers. (One would imagine that the constant "blipping" on the throttle through the corners would be very hard on the material.) But apparently, still he was in "mechanical sympathy" with the car, such that he never strained it unnecessarily; even though one cannot see with "the naked eye" how this is realized.
Maybe a repetition from an earlier post; yet, I am reminded of a TV-interview (on Danish TV) with Kevin Magnussen. Kevin was asked what kind of advice he received from his father, Jan, when he (Kevin) was a very young kart racer. "One piece of advice", Kevin said, "was: it's either full throttle or no throttle!". Even now, as a seasoned Grand Prix driver, Kevin thought that that was a very good piece of advice.
This principle is demonstrated beautifully here, by Clark: either full throttle, or no throttle.
And ... could it be that the intermittent loading provided by the blipping on the throttle actually is gentle on the material?
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Post by mikael on Apr 15, 2023 10:29:58 GMT
Felipe Massa is considering, here in 2023, to take the 2008 championship outcome to court! Really?!
Link to MSM/Mark Hughes article: |
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Post by René on Apr 15, 2023 12:20:28 GMT
Felipe Massa is considering, here in 2023, to take the 2008 championship outcome to court! Really?! Link to MSM/Mark Hughes article: Yes I read about it. Don't believe it will stand a chance but I also don't really think that Massa is after the title to be honest. I do understand his point given the recent gunk that came out of ecclestone's mouth about 'crashgate'. It was not like a wrong decision by a referee as was the case in the 2021 finale but this was a deliberate fraud. But of course, there is no way of telling how the championship would have developed without the Piquet crash. Yes, Massa would most likely have won that race but it wasn't Hamilton's fault what happened that afternoon and life is just a sequence of happenings. I still feel heartbroken thinking back of the Brazil finale that year, just like the Abu Dhabi finale two years later. But it is what it is. I don't agree with Hughes about Kubica being the best that season by the way. I do think Robert made that final step to the absolute top but he wasn't better than Massa and Hamilton that year in my opinion. But that's my opinion of course. |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 22, 2023 14:12:10 GMT
It makes you wonder if Massa's appeal is successful how far back you could go? could the Hill family take the 1964 championship to court then? or the 1994 one, come to that
In saying that I did feel Massa was robbed that year [my word what am I saying??] and I do have some sympathy but not 15 years after the event so how about we give Massa the 08 championship and the 94 championship to Damon and Teflonso is awarded the 2010 championship
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Post by Carl on Apr 22, 2023 17:23:48 GMT
It makes you wonder if Massa's appeal is successful how far back you could go? could the Hill family take the 1964 championship to court then? or the 1994 one, come to that In saying that I did feel Massa was robbed that year [my word what am I saying??] and I do have some sympathy but not 15 years after the event so how about we give Massa the 08 championship and the 94 championship to Damon and Teflonso is awarded the 2010 championship All three changes would be justified, but... 
At the end of the season, justice in motorsport is unfortunately of secondary importance.
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Post by René on Apr 23, 2023 10:08:24 GMT
It makes you wonder if Massa's appeal is successful how far back you could go? could the Hill family take the 1964 championship to court then? or the 1994 one, come to that In saying that I did feel Massa was robbed that year [my word what am I saying??] and I do have some sympathy but not 15 years after the event so how about we give Massa the 08 championship and the 94 championship to Damon and Teflonso is awarded the 2010 championship I'm all for it!  Two more Ferrari championships sounds good to me and two titles for Damon is also fine. Then what about 2021? Do we give that (back) to Lewis so he has 7 titles again? I'm sure Max will win a few more. |
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Post by René on Apr 23, 2023 10:17:42 GMT
Damon Hill's name came up a few times so here's a look back at his career and championship year!
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Post by mikael on Jun 19, 2023 17:43:53 GMT
This is a jewel: an excellent summary of the start of one of the most dramatic seasons ever.
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Post by Carl on Jun 19, 2023 18:45:27 GMT
This is a jewel: an excellent summary of the start of one of the most dramatic seasons ever.
A great film! Thanks, Mikael  |
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Post by robmarsh on Jun 20, 2023 8:00:18 GMT
Thanks Mikael. I remember that afternoon well. I had been waiting all year for the start of the GP season. We were living in Harare then and my brother and I listened to it on the radio. It was only broadcast in five to ten minute bursts but it was so exciting for us.
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Two more Ferrari championships sounds good to me and two titles for Damon is also fine. Then what about 2021? Do we give that (back) to Lewis so he has 7 titles again? I'm sure Max will win a few more.
