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Post by mikael on Oct 17, 2021 18:06:57 GMT
A very nice little portrait; thanks, René.
The day when the news about Ronnie's death broke out is still completely clear in my mind. Coming just home from school in the afternoon on that Monday, a schoolmate called me on the phone and asked me if I had heard that Ronnie Peterson had died. No, I hadn't heard it. It really shocked me. (Normally we never called each other on the phone. I think most of us were not allowed to use the phone at all on our own hand ...) Of course I had to ask my dad the same question as soon as he entered the door, coming home from work. No, he hadn't heard it either. He was probably more shocked than I was.
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Post by Carl on Oct 17, 2021 18:46:02 GMT
And talking about Ronnie, this is a nice (official F1) video. No idea if it plays on here. No it doesn’t…  . Direct link: YoutubeBeautifully done! |
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Post by mikael on Oct 18, 2021 21:13:09 GMT
Fifty years of progress!
Monza 1971
Monza 2021
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Post by René on Oct 19, 2021 12:04:50 GMT
Wow cool. The passion is still the same though.  Forza. |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 19, 2021 12:29:49 GMT
I know which one I prefer, and that it will not be a surprise to many here  . That is a proper motor racing scene with mechanics doing what mechanics do, not some techy stuff. As the 1980's moved onward F1 lost its way with this desire to emulate space technology and have facilities at tracks that are like hospital operating rooms. Probably IndyCar has it about right for the modern age, they still race at tracks with "limited" facilities like old style pit boxes etc with the cars out in the elements. Also in these cases the paddock is really that, with the cars under temporary canopies and the mechanics/technicians working on the cars not that far removed from days past. |
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Post by Carl on Oct 19, 2021 19:40:42 GMT
I know which one I prefer, and that it will not be a surprise to many here . That is a proper motor racing scene with mechanics doing what mechanics do, not some techy stuff. As the 1980's moved onward F1 lost its way with this desire to emulate space technology and have facilities at tracks that are like hospital operating rooms. Probably IndyCar has it about right for the modern age, they still race at tracks with "limited" facilities like old style pit boxes etc with the cars out in the elements. Also in these cases the paddock is really that, with the cars under temporary canopies and the mechanics/technicians working on the cars not that far removed from days past. Well said. I was immediately familiar with the first photograph from wandering around the Monza paddock in 1970. Those small garages were more basic but also more romantic. |
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Post by René on Oct 20, 2021 17:50:19 GMT
I like them both, 1971 and 2021. Just imagine if nothing had changed since then, that would be depressing...
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Post by Carl on Oct 20, 2021 18:13:28 GMT
René Two simple changes would have made a world of difference. Just two! Had Adrian Newey been barred from motorsport, passing would have remained more often on the track and not by carefully timed pitstops. Forbidding ecclestone would have prevented corrosive corruption and opened a world of possibilities beyond hedge fund predation. Otherwise, change is almost always good for the sport.
Cheers, Carl
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 20, 2021 20:12:48 GMT
I like them both, 1971 and 2021. Just imagine if nothing had changed since then, that would be depressing...
I have 1/12 models of the 1960, 61,70(currently in progress), 74, 76,77,78, 82 and 85 cars. That is my lot as I can no longer afford afford any more unless I win Lotto. In the extremely unlikely event of that happening then the other ones I would like would be 1953,56,83,88,95 and 2003. |
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Post by charleselan on Oct 21, 2021 11:58:52 GMT
With regard to Ferrari F1 cars, I would have to say that the 1959 Dino 246 was one of the most beautiful and driven by some of the most iconic drivers like Tony Brooks; Jean Behra (until he punched the team manager at Rheims); Phil Hill; Dan Gurney.
Another would be the 1967/8 312 that Chris Amon and Jacky Ickx (1968) drove, probably in '67 guise the best, a really beautiful car.
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Post by René on Oct 21, 2021 18:16:02 GMT
René Two simple changes would have made a world of difference. Just two! Had Adrian Newey been barred from motorsport, passing would have remained more often on the track and not by carefully timed pitstops. Forbidding ecclestone would have prevented corrosive corruption and opened a world of possibilities beyond hedge fund predation. Otherwise, change is almost always good for the sport.
Cheers, Carl
Of course Carl, there is a lot that could be a lot better. But it's still my sport, my only sport as I am not really a football fan or other sports for that matter.
You are right about bernie but Adrian is just a brilliant design savant who only needs a millimeter room for another brilliant idea. It's the governing body that should have put a lid on more and more downforce years ago.
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Post by René on Oct 21, 2021 18:17:01 GMT
I like them both, 1971 and 2021. Just imagine if nothing had changed since then, that would be depressing... I have 1/12 models of the 1960, 61,70(currently in progress), 74, 76,77,78, 82 and 85 cars. That is my lot as I can no longer afford afford any more unless I win Lotto. In the extremely unlikely event of that happening then the other ones I would like would be 1953,56,83,88,95 and 2003. Not the 1979 T4, Rob? |
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Post by robmarsh on Oct 21, 2021 19:13:12 GMT
I have 1/12 models of the 1960, 61,70(currently in progress), 74, 76,77,78, 82 and 85 cars. That is my lot as I can no longer afford afford any more unless I win Lotto. In the extremely unlikely event of that happening then the other ones I would like would be 1953,56,83,88,95 and 2003. Not the 1979 T4, Rob? Rene, I used to have the Tamiya 1/12 scale many years ago but it is not really one of my favourite Ferraris despite the drivers. |
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Post by mikael on Oct 21, 2021 20:24:41 GMT
I like them both, 1971 and 2021. Just imagine if nothing had changed since then, that would be depressing...
It's enjoyable to study this overview of Ferrari's Grand Prix cars, and it's very interesting to be able to see the evolution step-by-step. If one looks at a year at a time, the the evolution seems to happen very smoothly. There is just one single "quantum leap", namely from 1960 to 1961, where the location of the engine changed from in front of the driver to behind the driver. Even the appearance of wings seems to have happened smoothly, starting with just small ones, like "sprouts".
If one looks at a decade at a time, then the changes are large by each new decade. However, the basic layout has really not changed much during the last twenty years.
It makes you wonder if we at some point could see a stagnation in the evolution (provided that the regulations remain "reasonably steady")? At some point, the optimum design will be reached, will it not? What triggers such a thought is that this has actually happened in motocross - so why not also in other branches of motor racing?
The saturation in the evolution in motocross is pointed out in an interesting article, for which a link is given below. The following section really made an impression of me:
(The italics/boldface types are mine.)
Link:
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Post by René on Oct 22, 2021 12:16:56 GMT
Rene, I used to have the Tamiya 1/12 scale many years ago but it is not really one of my favourite Ferraris despite the drivers. No sweat Rob. The T4 has always been my favorite for sentimental reasons but also because it looked so different. I also love the 1990 car which is also not one of your favs if I remember correctly...  |
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Forza.
. That is a proper motor racing scene with mechanics doing what mechanics do, not some techy stuff.
