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Post by mikael on Jun 8, 2021 19:39:43 GMT
This is an impressively good recording of the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix, the GP where Ascari famously went off, into the harbour (only to crash again three days later, at Monza, and that time around fatally ...)
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Post by Carl on Jun 8, 2021 22:06:46 GMT
This is an impressively good recording of the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix, the GP where Ascari famously went off, into the harbour (only to crash again three days later, at Monza, and that time around fatally ...)
This is an excellent film and may have been digitally remastered, providing great clarity. I enjoyed the description of Sainte Devote as "that tricky corner at the bottom of the hill." I wonder if Ascari may have suffered an undiagnosed injury when catapulted into the harbor and should have had more time to recover. |
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Post by charleselan on Jun 9, 2021 14:42:34 GMT
This is an impressively good recording of the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix, the GP where Ascari famously went off, into the harbour (only to crash again three days later, at Monza, and that time around fatally ...)
This is an excellent film and may have been digitally remastered, providing great clarity. I enjoyed the description of Sainte Devote as "that tricky corner at the bottom of the hill." I wonder if Ascari may have suffered an undiagnosed injury when catapulted into the harbor and should have had more time to recover. You probably have something there Carl. I am minded to think it might have been something as small as water in the ear drum, a problem which would have affected the balance of a racing driver. Or could it have been concussion following the impact with the water as that is similar in many respects to hitting a concrete wall. Whatever there was something not right in the accident that Alberto Ascari had that day at Monza. |
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Post by chrisb on Jun 10, 2021 8:19:56 GMT
that was a terrible tragedy, and so strange, for a very superstitious person driving a car with someone else's crash helmet was unheard of, I do think, his and the other two Italians deaths within 3 years of each other set Italian racing back so much, I do think you are both right Carl, John, it would explain so much, and there is a horrible parallel to Bruce's fatal accident at Goodwood as both last laps were unnecessary
I see the Guardian is talking of a new documentary of Jack Brabham, apparently warts and all - with the exception of the son who was convicted for the most heinous crimes possible, who apparently has been written out of the Brabham history. It did mention Jack's 'tactics' and I am so reminded of 1967 British GP and the missing mirrors and poor Chris Amon getting a battering - not sure where it will be shown and how good it will be - we will see
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Post by charleselan on Jun 10, 2021 10:10:40 GMT
Chris,
I too noted the review of Jack's film in The Guardian yesterday. It seemed to indicate as you say "warts and all", in fact one could say a rather scathing documentary in some respects.
I did see someone comment that was an allegation of Jack saying something very bad about Lewis Hamilton in comparison to JYS, the implication from this individual that Jack made a racist comment, something I find hard to believe.
It has always been accepted that Jack used the track edges to throw up detritus at following drivers, but people forget where Jack developed as a driver on the dirt tracks of Australia so in a way it was normal for him in that respect.
John
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Post by chrisb on Jun 13, 2021 7:48:23 GMT
John, I hope it's not, so scathing that is, after all he was a thrice world champion and although not in Stirling's league was still a very good driver, I have looked at some races in 65 and he was up there with Dan in terms of speed and Denny always maintained Jack would have been WDC in 67 but for his experimenting, in saying that he was never a popular driver with me, respected yes, totally and the 66 Dutch GP will always be one of my favourite races of all time.
I would be very sad if he had made racist comments about Lewis, and would tar his reputation - I will watch the documentary as/when it is available and go from there
JYS did make some observations of Jack's driving, like forgetting to change gear at Brands, and I think Chris's implication was that it was deliberate to throw stones up,
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Post by mikael on Jul 10, 2021 10:15:48 GMT
"On measuring the stress a Grand Prix driver is subject to during a race."
The other day, I came to think about, ..., I seem to recall a broadcast from a Grand Prix, shown on Danish television, where Ayrton Senna had volunteered (apparently) to carry a heart rate monitor during this GP; and before the start, his heart rate was really up at the "red line".
Does anyone of you remember having seen this - or is it just my imagination/memory that is playing a trick on me ...? Obviously, it has be in the very early 90's, so something like 30 years ago.
(I have tried to see if I could find it on YouTube, but without success.)
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Post by Carl on Jul 10, 2021 16:55:34 GMT
"On measuring the stress a Grand Prix driver is subject to during a race."
The other day, I came to think about, ..., I seem to recall a broadcast from a Grand Prix, shown on Danish television, where Ayrton Senna had volunteered (apparently) to carry a heart rate monitor during this GP; and before the start, his heart rate was really up at the "red line".
Does anyone of you remember having seen this - or is it just my imagination/memory that is playing a trick on me ...? Obviously, it has be in the very early 90's, so something like 30 years ago.
(I have tried to see if I could find it on YouTube, but without success.)
Mikael, I recall reading about Graham Hill being monitored during a Grand Prix and being surprised by his elevated heart rate throughout the race, especially high in the moments leading up to the start, more than twice a normal rate or three times the resting heartbeat of an elite athlete.
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Post by René on Jul 10, 2021 18:03:40 GMT
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Post by mikael on Jul 10, 2021 18:52:30 GMT
Thanks a lot, Carl and René - it's very interesting indeed. Also, thanks a lot for the link, René; I will read that paper - of the great Sid Watkins - with great interest.
I came across one YouTube video showing heart rate monitoring of a Grand Prix driver; the subject being Gianmaria Bruni, at the qualification (Q2) to the 2004 San Marino GP.
According to Wikipedia, "The American Heart Association states the normal resting adult human heart rate is 60–100 bpm". At some points, Bruni's heart rate reaches 160 bpm, corresponding to anaerobic "hardcore" training.
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Post by robmarsh on Jul 10, 2021 19:49:59 GMT
I think Rene in that Ferrari test, Pironi was much higher than Villeneuve, around 200BPM at one point.
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Post by René on Jul 11, 2021 10:36:49 GMT
I think Rene in that Ferrari test, Pironi was much higher than Villeneuve, around 200BPM at one point. Absolutely Rob. The article to which I posted a link also states this; “ individual differences arising from personality and training— Villeneuve being the cooler and more composed of the two.” |
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Post by Carl on Jul 11, 2021 16:57:40 GMT
I think Rene in that Ferrari test, Pironi was much higher than Villeneuve, around 200BPM at one point. Absolutely Rob. The article to which I posted a link also states this; “ individual differences arising from personality and training— Villeneuve being the cooler and more composed of the two.” René, At first I agreed, and still do, but only at times was Villeneuve cooler and more composed. As his elevated heartrate may indicate, Pironi, while extremely fast, was not as naturally talented or as cool and composed when driving. In the aftermath of severe personal discord, however, because Gilles Villeneuve had a more ironclad sense of right and wrong, this dichotomy was reversed.
-Carl
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Post by René on Jul 11, 2021 17:10:05 GMT
Absolutely Rob. The article to which I posted a link also states this; “ individual differences arising from personality and training— Villeneuve being the cooler and more composed of the two.” René, At first I agreed, and still do, but only at times was Villeneuve cooler and more composed. As his elevated heartrate may indicate, Pironi, while extremely fast, was not as naturally talented or as cool and composed when driving. In the aftermath of severe personal discord, however, because Gilles Villeneuve had a more ironclad sense of right and wrong, this dichotomy was reversed.
-Carl
You may have a point there Carl. But the article I quoted from is purely scientific based on numbers, not on emotions or values. |
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Post by Carl on Jul 11, 2021 19:24:48 GMT
René, At first I agreed, and still do, but only at times was Villeneuve cooler and more composed. As his elevated heartrate may indicate, Pironi, while extremely fast, was not as naturally talented or as cool and composed when driving. In the aftermath of severe personal discord, however, because Gilles Villeneuve had a more ironclad sense of right and wrong, this dichotomy was reversed.
-Carl
You may have a point there Carl. But the article I quoted from is purely scientific based on numbers, not on emotions or values. I understand and respect the article's scientific approach, but sensed an interesting and curious reversal when values are the important variable.  |
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