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Post by charleselan on Apr 18, 2018 17:40:16 GMT
There was something really classy about that 1991 dark purple livery on the XJR's, they looked really beautiful, shame about the 3.5 litre Brawn inspired thing which I hated. Always remember that it was very fast in Le Mans qualifying but never raced as it wouldn't have lasted more than a few hours. Such a shame that the Jag's and other Group C cars were so hobbled that year thanks to those two odious individuals looking after their own interests of F1. Pleased the Mazda won though, especially for Johnny Herbert. I have just remembered that one of the perks of being a Press photographer at that time was the occasional excellent freebees that were handed out; one of the best being a Silk Cut Jaguar "Bum Bag" that was real quality and I still have it amongst my camera gear. I agree John, the all purple Silk Cut livery was far better than the white/purple design which I found a little fussy, though it’s very iconic of the period. I also really like the simple BRG livery on the XJR 6’s. I liked the XJR14 in isolation but not the portent it signified. The two seat F1 cars were amazing and exciting machines but they were not Group C cars.......nothing beats the Sauber Mercedes C11 in my view.. Yes Jamie the BRG Jaguar XJR6's were glorious looking as were the Group A XJS's that ran in similar colours. I actually preferred the Kuros Sauber Mercs, they were lovely looking things. |
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Post by Jamie on Apr 18, 2018 18:07:31 GMT
Oh yes the Korous C9’s were a lovely thing, especially when the tyre branding was picked out in yellow 👍 I like the AEG livery as well.
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Post by chrisb on Apr 18, 2018 20:38:39 GMT
What year did the D types dominate Le Mans? 1957? five out of the top 6 - Lucio my friend - that seems far more impressive, something about the red cars being beaten?
it is ironic as a Porsche owner I prefer the Jags in Group C, and was a real fan, followed them to many a race, that V12 was such a beauty and such a gorgeous sound but I was always a bit concerned with Tom running the team, what exactly was going on behind he scenes, but I loved the fact that so many teams people could buy a 956/962 and win races as well, I seem to recollect a wet Brands when a privateer [was it Fitz?] won the Group C race there once?
sorry Jamie, this is where you and I differ - I really resented the Merc's didn't like them at all, I suppose because they were so fast and stopped my beloved Jags from winning
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Post by Jamie on Apr 18, 2018 21:12:03 GMT
Ha,ha ......I know exactly where you’re coming from there Chris, I was torn over my admiration for the Mercs as I loved the Jags as well and seeing them win gave such a sense of pride. However, the C11 was such an impressive beast that I was instantly in love 😂
We are of a like mind RE: Walkinshaw......shady, very shady.
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Post by charleselan on Apr 18, 2018 21:23:48 GMT
Sorry guys can't share your views on Tom Walkinshaw; yes he pushed the boundaries but no different to most others particularly some of the current crop in F1.
Tom had a reputation of being a hard team manager, and he was, completely no nonsense, someone who would have sorted Maxi Boy out.
I met Tom a few times and had the great fortune to have lunch with him where he came to judge a road safety campaign competition. He was absolutely charming and thoroughly engaging. Also in his lifetime he did a great deal of charity work, and poured himself and money into his great passion Gloucester Rugby Club.
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Post by Jamie on Apr 18, 2018 22:01:59 GMT
Good to hear a first hand account of Tom’s character but I’ve heard some dubious stories of his dealings.....there are none of us perfect however.
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Post by robmarsh on Apr 19, 2018 5:57:54 GMT
Model Factory Hiro make 1/12 of both those cars plus the 1988/89 Jags and the 956 Porsche. I have been tempted but can't afford them. I loved the all purple Jaguar. The Silk Cut magazine advert was really classy in those days. A piece of purple silk with a slash in it-no words. Rob, that's why I collect slot cars! They are still affordable compared to Model Factory Hiro models!  René I made the potential "mistake" of downloading a slotcar magazine the other day just to get an idea of the hobby. I was blown away by the quality and choice of the slot cars. I started a small collection of Fly back in the 90s but didn't pursue it, just buying a few iconic gulf cars. I had a small set but found the cars were too beautiful to risk racing. I can see why you guys collect them, and like most collectibles you must buy when seen before they become unavailable. I have always been a fan of Scalextric, loyalty from my first set back in 1967, and I am amazed at the choice, quality and accuracy of their latest offerings. All my dreams of scalextric cars I wanted as a kid have now come true and I didn't even know it. You are a lucky chap René to have such a collection and a beautiful race track as well. |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 19, 2018 6:03:50 GMT
hear hear Jamie,
Tom was a tough character and Derek Warwick tells a lovely story of the first driver change-over he did with Eddie Cheever and Tom's reaction ensured there was never a repeat - but that sounds wonderful John, I had a lot of respect for Tom, I guess my opinion was marred by his time at Benetton -
did anyone see that Max Mosely interview on C4? I couldn't bear it, talk of a 'chip off the old block' - but admirably sums him up and why we are in such a state
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Post by charleselan on Apr 19, 2018 11:21:21 GMT
hear hear Jamie, Tom was a tough character and Derek Warwick tells a lovely story of the first driver change-over he did with Eddie Cheever and Tom's reaction ensured there was never a repeat - but that sounds wonderful John, I had a lot of respect for Tom, I guess my opinion was marred by his time at Benetton - did anyone see that Max Mosely interview on C4? I couldn't bear it, talk of a 'chip off the old block' - but admirably sums him up and why we are in such a state Agree entirely Chris with Tom's brief period at Benetton, but as I have said it was nothing more than most others have pulled over the years, and still do e.g. flexible floors; deformable wings etc etc. Tom I do not believe, was an Ecclestone man by any stretch of the imagination, and that was a major contributor to him being brought to book in the way he was. I did not see Moseley interviewed on C4, if I had done I would have probably wrecked the TV. One would think that a person with such ancestry as him would keep their head down and just get on with life, but such is the man's overt arrogance he keeps cropping up at every opportunity. Wants to be a Labour Party MP apparently and has funded his attempts; I believe his ex car dealer mate also plied the coffers to help him out some time back in this incredible quest. |
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Post by René on Apr 19, 2018 13:11:08 GMT
Rob, that's why I collect slot cars! They are still affordable compared to Model Factory Hiro models! René I made the potential "mistake" of downloading a slotcar magazine the other day just to get an idea of the hobby. I was blown away by the quality and choice of the slot cars. I started a small collection of Fly back in the 90s but didn't pursue it, just buying a few iconic gulf cars. I had a small set but found the cars were too beautiful to risk racing. I can see why you guys collect them, and like most collectibles you must buy when seen before they become unavailable. I have always been a fan of Scalextric, loyalty from my first set back in 1967, and I am amazed at the choice, quality and accuracy of their latest offerings. All my dreams of scalextric cars I wanted as a kid have now come true and I didn't even know it. You are a lucky chap René to have such a collection and a beautiful race track as well. Thanks Rob, it's a lovely hobby. Unfortunately a bit addictive and therefore probably not cheaper compared to your Model Factory Hiro models if I'm honest. I have hundreds of these little cars and there are coming new models to the market all the time. The quality and detail is unbelievable sometimes and it's only getting better. And as you said, when a really cool car comes to the market you better get it or otherwise it's sold out and you pay double or triple the price on ebay if you really want to have it. But I do try to be selective and certainly don't buy everything, that would be unaffordable. However, I do know guys from the Slotforum who buy all the new releases. Sometimes even double, one for the shelve and one for actual racing! But that's crazy I think as it costs a fortune. I will do a feature on my collection one day if I find the time.  |
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Post by Jamie on Apr 19, 2018 14:22:37 GMT
hear hear Jamie, Tom was a tough character and Derek Warwick tells a lovely story of the first driver change-over he did with Eddie Cheever and Tom's reaction ensured there was never a repeat - but that sounds wonderful John, I had a lot of respect for Tom, I guess my opinion was marred by his time at Benetton - did anyone see that Max Mosely interview on C4? I couldn't bear it, talk of a 'chip off the old block' - but admirably sums him up and why we are in such a state Agree entirely Chris with Tom's brief period at Benetton, but as I have said it was nothing more than most others have pulled over the years, and still do e.g. flexible floors; deformable wings etc etc. Tom I do not believe, was an Ecclestone man by any stretch of the imagination, and that was a major contributor to him being brought to book in the way he was. I did not see Moseley interviewed on C4, if I had done I would have probably wrecked the TV. One would think that a person with such ancestry as him would keep their head down and just get on with life, but such is the man's overt arrogance he keeps cropping up at every opportunity. Wants to be a Labour Party MP apparently and has funded his attempts; I believe his ex car dealer mate also plied the coffers to help him out some time back in this incredible quest. Lots of talk of Walkinshaw cheating in the BTCC in 1994. Only in qualifying though, so sort of hounorable 😂 |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 19, 2018 15:43:52 GMT
Agree entirely Chris with Tom's brief period at Benetton, but as I have said it was nothing more than most others have pulled over the years, and still do e.g. flexible floors; deformable wings etc etc. Tom I do not believe, was an Ecclestone man by any stretch of the imagination, and that was a major contributor to him being brought to book in the way he was. I did not see Moseley interviewed on C4, if I had done I would have probably wrecked the TV. One would think that a person with such ancestry as him would keep their head down and just get on with life, but such is the man's overt arrogance he keeps cropping up at every opportunity. Wants to be a Labour Party MP apparently and has funded his attempts; I believe his ex car dealer mate also plied the coffers to help him out some time back in this incredible quest. Lots of talk of Walkinshaw cheating in the BTCC in 1994. Only in qualifying though, so sort of hounorable 😂 There is a good one regarding the most magnificent Rover Vitesse'. Apparently the standard car did not have much room within the inner rear wheel arches which would have allowed legally optimising the rear suspension. So Tom and his team mysteriously found an export model destined for South America which had bigger inner wheel arches; problem solved. However nothing none of the big European teams did to make their cars competitive; does anyone really believe that those Volvo "turbo's" were totally kosher, anymore than the Ford Mercur "turbo". Then look at Rudi Eggenberger's Cossie's when they went to Bathurst. |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 19, 2018 15:56:02 GMT
love it Jamie, 'sort of honourable' - but i do know motor racing history is littered with some dubious behaviours, the Lotus bulkhead made of paper, Chapman measuring the Williams 07, a certain rally team racing in Africa with a car that was smashed, crashed and battered to amazingly 'repairing' it behind the trees, with a brand new looking one, good work guys and Toyota with its waste gate, so many others it would be naive to think otherwise but there was something about Tom's deceptions that - just didn't sit right - not sure I understand why I feel more about him, but my word what a character and a real tough one to boot
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Post by Jamie on Apr 19, 2018 16:00:04 GMT
The 1994 BTCC volvos had the Rev limiter removed in qualifying at Snetterton when the estate car qualifying 3rd on the grid, that I do know.
The Toyota wastegate scandal has to be the most underhand 😌
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