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Post by Carl on Apr 9, 2019 21:14:47 GMT
Several Dutch (and Belgian) media have reported there is a five year deal agreed between Zandvoort and FOM. There is no official confirmation yet and Jan Lammers, Sporting Director Zandvoort F1, has called the news items premature. But at the same time he said it is looking good but it's up to FOM to confirm the new calender. The return of the Dutch Grand Prix is planned for 2020. I think it is really going to happen.  I hope so, because Zandvoort is one of the best circuits and has a long history in Formula One.
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Post by René on Apr 9, 2019 22:00:57 GMT
Zandvoort's Sporting Director in action! 40 years ago (!) but I can remember this day so well!  |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 10, 2019 12:38:19 GMT
That is really good news René for there could not be a better home for the Dutch GP. I did read with some trepidation last week that the talks had stalled and that Assen was now making a big push for the car GP. In my opinion that would have been very bad as the Cathedral of Motorcycle Racing is Assen, and having cars there would ruin the place. Cars have a detrimental effect on the track surface and its underpinnings due to their excessive downforce which Silverstone for example have had to deal with, and so Barcelona. I say keep bikes and cars apart as the two do not mix. Can't wait too see how Pirelli deal with the sand blown on to the track at Zandvoort . |
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Post by René on Apr 11, 2019 19:39:43 GMT
That is really good news René for there could not be a better home for the Dutch GP. I did read with some trepidation last week that the talks had stalled and that Assen was now making a big push for the car GP. In my opinion that would have been very bad as the Cathedral of Motorcycle Racing is Assen, and having cars there would ruin the place. Cars have a detrimental effect on the track surface and its underpinnings due to their excessive downforce which Silverstone for example have had to deal with, and so Barcelona. I say keep bikes and cars apart as the two do not mix. Can't wait too see how Pirelli deal with the sand blown on to the track at Zandvoort . Assen has been pushing to get the Grand Prix for quite a while now. And very much to the dislike of many bike fans and prominent riders like Valentino Rossi. Rossi fears F1 could possibly ruin the track, one of his favourites. And not only because cars are harder on the track surface but also there could be changes made to the track to accommodate the cars better. But apparently the glamour and status of F1 is very attractive to the Assen track owners. But I don't believe Assen will get the race. According to Lammers FOM is no longer talking to Assen and only to Zandvoort. And so they should. The F1 Grand Prix belongs in Zandvoort. |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 12, 2019 7:24:18 GMT
hear hear chaps, having been to both it just makes so much more sense, they would ruin Assen, even the modern Assen is a classic track that still has the potential to take one's breath away, which, incidentally is where the WSB's are this weekend, so that will be exciting,
Zandvoort, which I managed to get to in 1981 although very disappointed to see a certain French Canadian crash early on, but the journey, courtesy of a coach tour company will forever traumatise me- but Rene if memory serves that have drasticly
reduced the circuit now in size? wondering what your opinion is of the 'modern' one now?
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Post by charleselan on Apr 12, 2019 11:43:17 GMT
Quite agree, Zandvoort it is!
That wouldn't have been Page & Moy would it Chris? Endured a terrible one with them to that fateful 1982 Belgian GP. Not only did the driver get lost on the way to the circuit on the Saturday morning we had to put up with some infantile Yorkshire twerp at the back of the bus who thought it was so funny hailing the young P & M lady in charge with "Eeee Claire", as her name was Claire. This went on for the whole trip.............
Never used that terrible company again, truly awful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 6:07:39 GMT
Sounds good that a new race has been announced at a location with such an F1 heritage, and such a strng current F1 passion.
I'm sure it will draw a huge attendance of orange clothed fans.
A few questions for the Racers;
Do you know if this will be an additional race in the season - so a 22 round season for next year, or is it 23 with Vietnam too?
How will that affect attendance at other european rounds, particularly SPA?
Will LM have negotiated a less onerous deal with the Zandfoort promoters, than the current promoters have under the deals that Bernie negotiated?
If so, how would LM manage that situation to avoid a riot by the promoters of the current 21 races?
Lastly, if its a Hard Brexit, how hard will that make the logistics of the UK based teams getting to European races?
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Post by chrisb on Apr 13, 2019 6:47:02 GMT
yes JC it was, I went with them twice, once to Zandvoort in 1981 and to Spa in 1983, gosh a shudder went through me when I thought of that, at the time my memory was far sharper, as was my tongue, oh the folly of youth, and seem to remember some 'expert' on the coach to Spa sprouting forth and after a few hours informing him - he'd got his facts wrong, I don't know if he had or not he had just peed me off and I was then 'the outcast' but at least I had some peace and quiet, but horrendous -
Jim, answer to number of races - no idea, re Spa, I would not have thought so, re deal, definitely a better deal, riot? called bribery - money quells protests-
even a 'soft' departure from Europe will have an impact on European travel, so far we know that we will need International driving licences, Insurances will increase, that is car/lorry/motorbike and travel, health insurance to date, although I suspect the greed of the motorbike insurance companies will take this opportunity to increase anything, also if there are to be customs borders again for UK drivers - this will cause huge delays as no doubt several European countries may not be very well disposed to UK drivers and search every car, lorry, coach and motorbike excessively to prove a point, not that I am annoyed to be tarnished with the same brush as people who voted to leave Europe you understand and will continue to have on both car and bike Euro stickers, don't think it will improve relationships but it makes my point
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Post by René on Apr 13, 2019 11:38:12 GMT
Sounds good that a new race has been announced at a location with such an F1 heritage, and such a strng current F1 passion. I'm sure it will draw a huge attendance of orange clothed fans. A few questions for the Racers; Do you know if this will be an additional race in the season - so a 22 round season for next year, or is it 23 with Vietnam too? How will that affect attendance at other european rounds, particularly SPA? Will LM have negotiated a less onerous deal with the Zandfoort promoters, than the current promoters have under the deals that Bernie negotiated? If so, how would LM manage that situation to avoid a riot by the promoters of the current 21 races? Lastly, if its a Hard Brexit, how hard will that make the logistics of the UK based teams getting to European races? Jim, if Zandvoort is really on for next year (it's still not official) it will be a big success attendance wise for sure. There is a real Max Mania going on here for years now. But you have a good point regarding Dutch fans visiting other European venues, especially Spa, Germany and Austria although now thinking about it I don't think it will have a huge effect. The Dutch fans have been travelling 'en masse' the last few years to these tracks (so not only Spa which is closest). I think it will only create more madness to be honest. |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 13, 2019 11:43:53 GMT
Jim, answer to number of races - no idea, re Spa, I would not have thought so, re deal, definitely a better deal, riot? called bribery - money quells protests- even a 'soft' departure from Europe will have an impact on European travel, so far we know that we will need International driving licences, Insurances will increase, that is car/lorry/motorbike and travel, health insurance to date, although I suspect the greed of the motorbike insurance companies will take this opportunity to increase anything, also if there are to be customs borders again for UK drivers - this will cause huge delays as no doubt several European countries may not be very well disposed to UK drivers and search every car, lorry, coach and motorbike excessively to prove a point, not that I am annoyed to be tarnished with the same brush as people who voted to leave Europe you understand and will continue to have on both car and bike Euro stickers, don't think it will improve relationships but it makes my point Great post Chris which clearly illustrates the impending chaos that all but the sensible can foresee happening. On mainstream Uk news channels last evening the Chancellor Hammond from a trip in America uttered these words; "all of those who voted want to leave the EU". Very clever play on words there which completely ignores the fact that in 2016 seventeen odd million voted to leave out of a population of 65 million; how does that work Philip, and your fellow Tories? I say clever play with words, done explicitly to avoid Joris Bonkson gaff in his Telegraph article in which he stated everyone in the Uk wishes to leave; this was taken up by someone who took it to the press authority based on it not having factual credibility. The complaint was upheld and the Telegraph have had to admit as much. All I can say is thank you to the likes of Donald Tusk etc who are doing their level best to save the Uk from itself. |
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Post by chrisb on Apr 14, 2019 6:47:12 GMT
thanks JC, I think it was Alan Sugar who made a speech in the House of Lords, basically saying that the liars should be sacked and imprisoned, something, funny enough I would tend to agree with
Rene, have you been to the 'new' Zandvoort? if so what are your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:13:13 GMT
Several Dutch (and Belgian) media have reported there is a five year deal agreed between Zandvoort and FOM. There is no official confirmation yet and Jan Lammers, Sporting Director Zandvoort F1, has called the news items premature. But at the same time he said it is looking good but it's up to FOM to confirm the new calender. The return of the Dutch Grand Prix is planned for 2020. I think it is really going to happen. Any update yet Rene? I was having a look at some you tube video of Verstappen having a play with a Red Bull at Zandvoort. It looks like a nice track, and a huge turn out of fans for a demonstration day. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:39:09 GMT
even a 'soft' departure from Europe will have an impact on European travel, so far we know that we will need International driving licences, Insurances will increase, that is car/lorry/motorbike and travel, health insurance to date, although I suspect the greed of the motorbike insurance companies will take this opportunity to increase anything, also if there are to be customs borders again for UK drivers - this will cause huge delays as no doubt several European countries may not be very well disposed to UK drivers and search every car, lorry, coach and motorbike excessively to prove a point, not that I am annoyed to be tarnished with the same brush as people who voted to leave Europe you understand and will continue to have on both car and bike Euro stickers, don't think it will improve relationships but it makes my point From this side of the world, watching the whole Brexit story unfold has been awful. I've still got family and friends there, the majority voted to remain, only the retired ones seem to be in favour of leaving. The process to agree a deal has really shown up the weakness of the British political system. I hope the F1 season perks up and gives you something to enjoy about the Brexiteers continue to F it up for another few months, or years. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:45:29 GMT
Jim, answer to number of races - no idea, re Spa, I would not have thought so, re deal, definitely a better deal, riot? called bribery - money quells protests- even a 'soft' departure from Europe will have an impact on European travel, so far we know that we will need International driving licences, Insurances will increase, that is car/lorry/motorbike and travel, health insurance to date, although I suspect the greed of the motorbike insurance companies will take this opportunity to increase anything, also if there are to be customs borders again for UK drivers - this will cause huge delays as no doubt several European countries may not be very well disposed to UK drivers and search every car, lorry, coach and motorbike excessively to prove a point, not that I am annoyed to be tarnished with the same brush as people who voted to leave Europe you understand and will continue to have on both car and bike Euro stickers, don't think it will improve relationships but it makes my point Great post Chris which clearly illustrates the impending chaos that all but the sensible can foresee happening. On mainstream Uk news channels last evening the Chancellor Hammond from a trip in America uttered these words; "all of those who voted want to leave the EU". Very clever play on words there which completely ignores the fact that in 2016 seventeen odd million voted to leave out of a population of 65 million; how does that work Philip, and your fellow Tories? I say clever play with words, done explicitly to avoid Joris Bonkson gaff in his Telegraph article in which he stated everyone in the Uk wishes to leave; this was taken up by someone who took it to the press authority based on it not having factual credibility. The complaint was upheld and the Telegraph have had to admit as much. All I can say is thank you to the likes of Donald Tusk etc who are doing their level best to save the Uk from itself. Do you think that Europe will be able to cope with 17 million refugees from the East? Or will all the leavers move to Scotland to take part in their next Independence referendum? |
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Post by charleselan on Apr 19, 2019 13:16:10 GMT
Jim,
An interesting fact is that many with Irish descendants are now applying for Irish passports so they can retain their EU citizenship. Many are talking about moving to Scotland or Ireland should we actually leave the EU. There is little doubt that once the leave button is pressed Scotland will seek to leave the UK and gain its independence.
It is horrific to be in the middle of all this, both in the Uk and from mainland Europe where i have lived for the past 11 years. It is shocking to think that a huge proportion of those who are retired voted to leave, however a huge proportion of my family and friends who are now all over 60 did not vote to leave and are in despair at this circumstance. It maybe somewhat telling that all of these people are well educated individuals.
JC
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